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Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.

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RedToothBrush · 31/01/2021 13:58

An 'interesting' week. To say the least.

It has highlighted the purpose, point and weaknesses of the EU. It has revealled that the Irish Border is an ongoing issue which can not be ignored. Not only is it causing shortages in NI but it also reminds us that a zero covid strategy for the UK can not be managed unilaterally; we are not New Zealand.

It shows up the changing geo-politics of leaving. We have applied to join the Asia-Pacific free trade pact just a day after Macron told us to chose out allies and reminded us that geography and history have always tied our fate to France.

The epic fuck up of the EU has lead a rallying cry of support for leaving... but covid is currently hiding much of the reality of the implications of Brexit which will yet come out in the wash.

Brexit and Covid are tied together as conjoined twins of economic disaster though. Once restrictions start to lift, the shit will start to hit the fan. The efforts on where to aportion blame will start but it won't be on Brexit. We've known this for some time. Brexit no longer is relevant. Except of course it is. But who is writing the winner's narrative? Things are as they have always been. There is no squirrel. The squirrel is thinking that Brexit and Covid are separate things when those in charge don't.

In terms of the vaccine suggest, I think its worth reflecting on why it was successful. Johnson played the vaccine procurement like a gambler, who bet on all the horses in order to ensure we got a winner. Throwing the kitchen sink at a problem which shut the entire economy down was always the safe option. Especially when it was also a pretty certain bet that there would be unequal rollout and a shortage when one was found. If you think about it in those terms, it easier to see how this has been a success for the government: if only one vaccine was successful, we'd be grateful we'd invested in so many options. If all the vaccines came in good we'd end up in a good place. It was a win:win strategy, and one that was not that hard to do. We now find that whilst we were cutting the International Aid Budget we were also working on soft power that excess vaccine stocks and production capability bring... I note here its actually much harder to pull off successfully if you are considerably larger like the EU because of the sheer numbers involved - the dynamics always favoured the UK and I think this probably was something the UK was aware of and was worked into strategic planning. Other things will be much harder to get such easy political wins on - not least because they still involve the economics of geography and that being smaller is typically a weakness not a strength in trading - vaccines and supply shortages are the ultimate exception not the rule. The rule is proven by the EU's politicking and the threat of a vaccine trade war.

Thus the Tory Party have seen Brexit and Covid as being intrinsically linked for some time. I don't think everyone else has quite managed to wrap their head around the fact that its near impossible at this stage to disentangle to two because of this mentality.

This current batch of Tories are disaster capitalists after all, and the twin of Brexit and Covid is a gift to their ambition.

I'll just remind you what the goal really is here. Remember Johnson's speech at the Tory Party Conference in October:
www.conservatives.com/news/boris-johnson-read-the-prime-ministers-keynote-speech-in-full

We have been through too much frustration and hardship just to settle for the status quo ante – to think that life can go on as it was before the plague; and it will not. Because history teaches us that events of this magnitude – wars, famines, plagues; events that affect the vast bulk of humanity, as this virus has – they do not just come and go.

They are more often than not the trigger for an acceleration of social and economic change, because we human beings will not simply content ourselves with a repair job.

He is fully signed up to the Cummings/Gove school of thought of burn it down and rebuild afresh.

The idea that he cares about sorting out and repairing the problems Brexit brings, miss the ultimate point: He doesn't want to.

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mrslaughan · 09/02/2021 21:24

LQ - same.
But also an important issue, one I tend to avoid talking about as it is a fraught issue.

ListeningQuietly · 09/02/2021 21:50

MrsL
I am very GC but incredibly careful about when where and how I express it

Clavinova · 09/02/2021 21:54

borntobequiet

At least the apprenticeship roles at Amazon include 100 degree-level apprenticeships with salaries up to £30,000.

DGRossetti
Give us a shout when you pop back in...

I don't know why you sound so pleased with yourself - insulting me with phrases such as thick racist posting doesn't paint you in a good light at all - my posts were clearly nothing of the sort. Thankfully, I'm not easily intimidated by posters like you. I am just going to pop in by the way because I want to watch the news.

Employment in the East Midlands is disproportionately reliant on the manufacturing industry, so the region is expected to be hit by these Brexit impacts more severely than other parts of the country.

The article in your link only mentions one manufacturer without stating the name of the company.

East Midlands news here;

5 Feb 2021 - An East Midlands bid for Freeport status has been submitted to the government by a consortium led by the two Local Enterprise Partnerships that represent Leicester, Leicestershire, Derby, Derbyshire, Nottingham and Nottinghamshire.

The bid would deliver a “unique” inland Freeport at the heart of the UK with “unrivalled” rail connectivity to all UK ports and bring significant investment to develop and drive innovation, alternative energy sources and green technologies, creating close to 60,000 new skilled jobs to areas of deprivation in the East Midlands.

www.eastmidlandsbusinesslink.co.uk/mag/news/east-midlands-makes-freeport-bid-in-opportunity-to-create-thousands-of-jobs/

Freeport bid also mentioned in this article;

Dec 2020 - Nottinghamshire County Council backs ambitious plans to help create 84,000 jobs and boost region’s annual economy by £4.8 billion...
The proposed East Midlands Development Corporation has been brought forward...
Plans also include a new National Skills Academy...
Ratcliffe-on-Soar–a vision to transform one of the UK’s last coal-fired power stations into a technology, advanced manufacturing and energy hub starting with a global research centre combining the expertise of the region’s universities to develop real-world zero emissions technologies which open up new markets and help the UK hit climate change targets...
East Midlands Airport–already the UK’s largest airfreight hub, the Airport could be the centrepiece of an Inland Freeport which will provide regional businesses with a lower-cost gateway to international trade post-Brexit.

www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/newsroom/news/county-council-backs-ambitious-plans-to-help-creat

20 Jan 2021 - U.K. Hands Bombardier Rail $2.3 Billion Brexit Jobs Boost.

Britain granted Bombardier Inc.’s train unit 1.7 billion pounds ($2.3 billion) in export funding, bolstering an English plant ahead of a looming merger with France’s Alstom SA.

Bombardier will use the funds to invest in the factory in Derby after winning a 2.4 billion-euro ($2.9 billion) contract to build trains for new monorail lines in Egyptian capital Cairo.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-20/u-k-hands-bombardier-rail-2-3-billion-job-saving-brexit-boost

Dec 2020 - Manufacturer chooses East Mids for Europe’s largest plant-based food factory.

Plant & Bean, the manufacturer of plant-based food products, is set to open Europe’s largest plant-based meat production facility in Boston, Lincolnshire.

The 2.83 million sq ft site, will have a planned initial capacity of 55,000 tonnes, and will provide sub-scale companies, larger international brands and retailers to help them meet growing demand for plant-based meat products and accelerate international expansion.

www.thebusinessdesk.com/eastmidlands/news/2043763-manufacturer-chooses-east-mids-for-europes-largest-plant-based-food-factory

TheHateIsNotGood · 09/02/2021 22:05

All this name-calling, assumptions and self-validations are neither a good look nor helpful.

Really keen to hear some productive ideas - if someone could point me towards a big kettle of SW chowder I'd be very happy; as would most who'd get the pleasure of it too....

Jason118 · 09/02/2021 22:07

For clav

Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.
ListeningQuietly · 09/02/2021 22:11

Big screen - Top Gear (old school)
Tiny screen - instagram
tab a - twitter following the impeachment
tab b - FB scrabble
tab c - this place

Brexit is a shit show

TheHateIsNotGood · 09/02/2021 22:13

For everybody

Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.
Peregrina · 09/02/2021 22:19

Really keen to hear some productive ideas

The ball is in your court - you leavers have got what you wanted.

Lonelycrab · 09/02/2021 22:20

nor helpful

I don’t think anything exists, at this stage that could be “helpful”, due to the way the last few days weeks months have gone

ListeningQuietly · 09/02/2021 22:21

Hate
Really keen to hear some productive ideas
You won
you own it
you come up with the ideas from here

we get to sit on our hands and judge

Gronky · 09/02/2021 22:30

Thank you, Clavinova for your always edifying contributions to the discussion.

TheHateIsNotGood · 09/02/2021 22:43

I did (see above) - I own it, and not wanting to be gloaty, I think I Won whatever Contest we were having.

Unless you have a shellfish allergy, who wouldn't like to be presented with a dish of chowder as shown above? I rest my case.....

veeeeh · 10/02/2021 01:38

The successful gamble by UK on doses three months apart, and the speed with which NHS have jabbed so many is a big win, no doubt.

I say this as a remainer and I don't blame the Leavers gloating. They are entitled to say so. EU procurement and roll out has not been good at all.

Anyway as others have said, the Brexit Blx is being well hidden by Covid, as predicted. But to be fair, saving lives is a priority.

mathanxiety · 10/02/2021 06:59

notimagain has got his name wrong - she called him Mr Hannah four times - which just goes to show that he is less well known than Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, David Cameron and George Osborne - who all made it perfectly clear in the run up to the referendum that a Yes vote meant leaving the single market

The best you could manage, Clavinova?

And BTW, that's Baron Hannan of Kingsclere in the County of Hampshire to you.
Someone clearly appreciated his services to disaster capitalism.

mrslaughan · 10/02/2021 07:56

Brexiteers desperate to claim the vaccines as a successful result of Brexit - shows the either the desperation or ignorance...... I wonder which one it is?
(Here's a hint - it had nothing to do with Brexit - and don't both quoting a minister lying)

Clav - you still haven't explained why Amazon offering apprenticeship is a Brexit win - because it doesn't say it in the article. And my reading of the economic situation is it's more to do with the appalling handling of the Covid crisis. I don't think those jobs will make up for the mom and pop businesses on the high street who had had their income decimated...... in every town act he country.

Peregrina · 10/02/2021 08:59

Vaccines most definitely a success of the NHS. We can manage to credit Johnson for Kate Bingham's appointment; even if it wasn't properly advertised, it does seem to be one he got right. But just imagine where the vaccine programme would be with Serco in charge.

It didn't matter what any of that bunch of self serving W**kers said before the Referendum - it was only an opinion. The way forward should have been a decision made by Parliament. Call me Dave had no authority to promise to execute what was decided - but he then removed himself as quickly as he could. Still I wasn't too upset to hear that his wife's business is struggling to export.

Zebracat · 10/02/2021 09:42

I just wanted say, I bloody loveJoanna Cherry. Why would anyone not want that woman in their team? That’s rhetorical, I do know why, but really.

mrslaughan · 10/02/2021 09:54

@Zebracat the thing I find disturbing is women straight or gay seemingly need to be silenced ..... and it's often young white men - telling women to shut up. There is no discussion. It's not about LGBT - it's not even really just about Trans (as I know some?many? Trans people are quite anti self ID) ....... it's really about power - abs that's what I find disturbing and concerning.

She's an amazing women - incredibly talented - and the SNP are poorer for doing this.

dontcallmelen · 10/02/2021 10:04

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RedToothBrush · 10/02/2021 10:10

@ListeningQuietly

MrsL I find identity politics desperately sad as it makes the left eat itself and leave the right free rein to trash us all
It is deeply depressing. It has to be acknowledged that the left isnt all soft cuddly pandas though. And frankly i do hope those elements do eat each other. I just fear where this leaves us in the absence of a centre (indeed its the centres LDs which have lost their minds most on identity politics not the left - and in some ways this is more the problem than leftist elements going bonkers)
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DGRossetti · 10/02/2021 10:52

I still think identity politics is a grenade the left gave the right wing to pull the pin on, and lob back into society to eliminate the left. And the left fell for it.

Big time.

DGRossetti · 10/02/2021 11:39

It finally dawned on me why I get so irritated with the Brexiteer bleating about "sovereign equals" with the EU. And that's because it's patent bollocks.

The UK is a "sovereign equal" with France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Austria, Greece, Belgium ... (you get the idea).

But when they all put their "EU" hat on, the UK is not, cannot, and will not ever be an "equal" to that.

Or am I losing the light of reason, and becoming a tad dim ?

DGRossetti · 10/02/2021 13:07
Why on earth would a country that is a leading climate change denier want anything to do with carbon trading ?
MrsMauryBallstein · 10/02/2021 14:12

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The winning continues...