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Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.

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RedToothBrush · 31/01/2021 13:58

An 'interesting' week. To say the least.

It has highlighted the purpose, point and weaknesses of the EU. It has revealled that the Irish Border is an ongoing issue which can not be ignored. Not only is it causing shortages in NI but it also reminds us that a zero covid strategy for the UK can not be managed unilaterally; we are not New Zealand.

It shows up the changing geo-politics of leaving. We have applied to join the Asia-Pacific free trade pact just a day after Macron told us to chose out allies and reminded us that geography and history have always tied our fate to France.

The epic fuck up of the EU has lead a rallying cry of support for leaving... but covid is currently hiding much of the reality of the implications of Brexit which will yet come out in the wash.

Brexit and Covid are tied together as conjoined twins of economic disaster though. Once restrictions start to lift, the shit will start to hit the fan. The efforts on where to aportion blame will start but it won't be on Brexit. We've known this for some time. Brexit no longer is relevant. Except of course it is. But who is writing the winner's narrative? Things are as they have always been. There is no squirrel. The squirrel is thinking that Brexit and Covid are separate things when those in charge don't.

In terms of the vaccine suggest, I think its worth reflecting on why it was successful. Johnson played the vaccine procurement like a gambler, who bet on all the horses in order to ensure we got a winner. Throwing the kitchen sink at a problem which shut the entire economy down was always the safe option. Especially when it was also a pretty certain bet that there would be unequal rollout and a shortage when one was found. If you think about it in those terms, it easier to see how this has been a success for the government: if only one vaccine was successful, we'd be grateful we'd invested in so many options. If all the vaccines came in good we'd end up in a good place. It was a win:win strategy, and one that was not that hard to do. We now find that whilst we were cutting the International Aid Budget we were also working on soft power that excess vaccine stocks and production capability bring... I note here its actually much harder to pull off successfully if you are considerably larger like the EU because of the sheer numbers involved - the dynamics always favoured the UK and I think this probably was something the UK was aware of and was worked into strategic planning. Other things will be much harder to get such easy political wins on - not least because they still involve the economics of geography and that being smaller is typically a weakness not a strength in trading - vaccines and supply shortages are the ultimate exception not the rule. The rule is proven by the EU's politicking and the threat of a vaccine trade war.

Thus the Tory Party have seen Brexit and Covid as being intrinsically linked for some time. I don't think everyone else has quite managed to wrap their head around the fact that its near impossible at this stage to disentangle to two because of this mentality.

This current batch of Tories are disaster capitalists after all, and the twin of Brexit and Covid is a gift to their ambition.

I'll just remind you what the goal really is here. Remember Johnson's speech at the Tory Party Conference in October:
www.conservatives.com/news/boris-johnson-read-the-prime-ministers-keynote-speech-in-full

We have been through too much frustration and hardship just to settle for the status quo ante – to think that life can go on as it was before the plague; and it will not. Because history teaches us that events of this magnitude – wars, famines, plagues; events that affect the vast bulk of humanity, as this virus has – they do not just come and go.

They are more often than not the trigger for an acceleration of social and economic change, because we human beings will not simply content ourselves with a repair job.

He is fully signed up to the Cummings/Gove school of thought of burn it down and rebuild afresh.

The idea that he cares about sorting out and repairing the problems Brexit brings, miss the ultimate point: He doesn't want to.

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DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 16:00

"A new group, the Scottish Native Honey Bee Society, has been formed to help protect the indigenous species.it aims to convince more keepers to convert their colonies to native bees.

Am I alone in wondering quite how "indigenous" a flying insect can be in a land mass that is only separated from it's neighbour by 30km ???? Surely by that logic, then bees "indigenous" to (say) Warwickshire are just as much interlopers in Scotland as the api italiane ?

I wonder if the UK will see malaria, again ...

ListeningQuietly · 08/02/2021 16:06

[quote Clavinova]DGRossetti
I feel like I'm doing Clavs job for them now.
Sorry Merkel! Cadbury to move Dairy Milk production from Germany to UK - £15m investment

Oh yes, mentioned on this fascinating website - thanks!

www.mtdmfg.com/news/[/quote]
Very interesting site that.
Actively and deliberately hides who runs it
Multiple press release puff pieces
but no names
Hmm

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 16:11

[quote Clavinova]DGRossetti
I feel like I'm doing Clavs job for them now.
Sorry Merkel! Cadbury to move Dairy Milk production from Germany to UK - £15m investment

Oh yes, mentioned on this fascinating website - thanks!

www.mtdmfg.com/news/[/quote]
Shame Cadburys tastes like shit now. Not that I eat chocolate anymore.

The Bournville Carillon is nice though. Especially when it plays "Ode to Joy".

George Cadbury commissioned the Carillon as a gift to the Cadbury workers in 1906 after a visit to Bruges, Belgium.

www.bournvillecarillon.co.uk/

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 16:14

and back to the reality of Brexit.

www.dezeen.com/2021/02/08/brexit-designers-admin-nightmare/

Designers and architects in the UK are suffering in the wake of Brexit, with companies abandoning exports and setting up offices in the EU to avoid losing clients.

The UK's departure from the European Union has created an "extra headache" and additional costs, designers have told Dezeen.

"It's terrible," said London-based architect Arthur Mamou-Mani. "We have customs agents now dealing with our imports and exports."

"Everything has become an admin nightmare, uselessly complicated and deterring European clients," he added. "I think people that voted yes just didn't realise how much hassle all this would be."

(contd)

No, Arthur. It's they didn't care.

mrslaughan · 08/02/2021 16:16

More Brexit winning

twitter.com/chrisgreybrexit/status/1358810477980229632?s=21

mrslaughan · 08/02/2021 16:22

Oh yes - and then there is the fact that George Eustice seems surprised that rules have changed....

twitter.com/fascinatorfun/status/1358809835047903232?s=21

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 16:24

Slightly off topic, but Elon Musks $1.1billion BTC purchase appears to have made me 30% profit in a week Grin

If I sell.

COIVD and Brexit could be a perfect storm for a flight out of Sterling. Oh dear.

Clavinova · 08/02/2021 16:30

New appointment will provide on-ground support in Boulogne-sur-Mer for Scottish seafood companies.

Seafood Scotland has appointed a France-based expert to help Scottish seafood companies untangle the administrative issues which have plagued the industry since the UK left the EU. Taylor Calon will provide on-site support to lorry drivers at Bolougne-sur-Mer.

Lorry drivers facing any difficulty moving their seafood through the French port will be able to contact Taylor directly for in-person support within thirty minutes. He will be available 24 hours/day, Mondays through Saturdays...

With Taylor’s appointment, we now have a team of experts on both sides of the UK-EU border working to tackle the most pertinent challenges and understand the new business practices that have come into play since 1st January. This is the first step in revitalising the sector and getting the Scottish seafood industry back up to pre-Brexit levels of trade.”

Taylor Calon added: “The Scottish seafood industry has had an incredibly challenging year, first with the Covid-19 pandemic and then Brexit. Thankfully, it seems many of the challenges they are facing are due to administrative issues and I am confident we can try to resolve them.

fishfocus.co.uk/seafood-scotland-bolsters-team/

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 16:30

[quote mrslaughan]Oh yes - and then there is the fact that George Eustice seems surprised that rules have changed....

twitter.com/fascinatorfun/status/1358809835047903232?s=21[/quote]
Misled by the EU or not (and if the UK really feels that's actionable I am sure there's a court for it) the underlying premise is so fucking obvious you could probably teach it to a toddler before weaning.

-The EU makes rules about what the EU does
-The UK abides by those rules if it wants to sell to the EU
-If the EU changes those rules, the UK has to change too.

If only the UK could have a say in the rules, eh ?

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 16:36

Lorry drivers facing any difficulty moving their seafood through the French port will be able to contact Taylor directly for in-person support within thirty minutes. He will be available 24 hours/day, Mondays through Saturdays...

From LQs comments, a much better help would be a port.

I repeat my comment about living in a country where the solution to not enough houses is better mortgages .....

mrslaughan · 08/02/2021 16:40

Well there's also the fact that the UK was involved in drafting the laws, that are now affecting them.

And I don't think the EU mislead the uk fishermen - I just think like everything to do with Brexit - the brexiteers thought they could have their cake and eat it......

In fact I thought I read somewhere that the EU had written to the Britishshellfish fishermen's association in December explaining what they expected the new rules would mean, but Defra contradicted them and told them (the shellfish exporters) the EU didn't know what they were talking about....

mrslaughan · 08/02/2021 16:42

More winning.....

www.eastbourneherald.co.uk/business/major-eastbourne-business-relocate-denmark-3122803

Actually- Twitter is a scarier place than normal with all the Brexit winning going on.....

SabrinaThwaite · 08/02/2021 16:45

LQ

If you dig around in that website’s Ts & Cs you can find out the trading name:

www.mtdmfg.com/terms/

And the Companies House data:

find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/06908797/filing-history

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 16:45

Well there's also the fact that the UK was involved in drafting the laws, that are now affecting them.

Galileo ! Galileo !

ListeningQuietly · 08/02/2021 16:46

Clav
I think you have rather missed the point of that Boulogne story.

Its about Scottish fishermen landing their catch in Boulogne
so that it can be collected and distributed.
Its about cutting the UK out of the trade

As the Boulogne fish market is very large
(and the seafood in their cafes was thus very, very good)

Clavinova · 08/02/2021 16:46

Designers and architects in the UK are suffering in the wake of Brexit, with companies abandoning exports and setting up offices in the EU to avoid losing clients.

Also in the link;

"It is all a bit blurred as some delays are being assigned to the pandemic," said [Nina] Tolstrup." ...

However, other design firms said they had yet to notice adverse effects [caused by Brexit].

"We have had no impacts from Brexit thankfully," said Benjamin Hubert, creative director of Layer. "We have had a big hiring push in the last few months and as yet that has not been hindered by Brexit."

Sweden-based Anders Nilsson, global sales director at Bolon, also reported that Brexit had had minimal impact on the company or its deliveries to the UK.

"We do not see any specific impact yet," he told Dezeen. "It's also hard to say what is Brexit and what is Covid these days. But we have lived with the knowledge about Brexit for a long time and it has been a step-by-step process," he continued.

"The first delivery for January going from Sweden to the UK has been as fast as before."

These experiences mirror those of architecture studios who last month told Dezeen the immediate impact of Brexit was "quite minor".

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 16:48

@mrslaughan

More winning.....

www.eastbourneherald.co.uk/business/major-eastbourne-business-relocate-denmark-3122803

Actually- Twitter is a scarier place than normal with all the Brexit winning going on.....

I wonder if they have any employees with EU citizenship ? Irish maybe ?
ListeningQuietly · 08/02/2021 16:53

Sabrina
Interesting. So its a subscription service that people can upload puff pieces to.
Like most newspapers admittedly Grin

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 16:55

Much more detailed look into EU, UK and shellfish rules

www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87875

It seems much more nuanced than the MSM cares to explain. But the underlying facts haven't changed. It's the EUs rules - consistent or not - and there is nothing the UK can really do about it.

And that will be the ongoing theme of Brexit for the next 20 years.

ListeningQuietly · 08/02/2021 16:55

That Alfa Laval story is worrying
as they make agricultural machinery like milking machines
so Farmers will pay more for spares ....

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 16:58

@ListeningQuietly

That Alfa Laval story is worrying as they make agricultural machinery like milking machines so Farmers will pay more for spares ....
Singing as they do, presumably. Having got exactly what they voted for.

Or, to be more precise, having got exactly what their communities voted for, if we follow the suggestion that farmers were anti Brexit (which I am sceptical about in England).

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 17:02

@ListeningQuietly

That Alfa Laval story is worrying as they make agricultural machinery like milking machines so Farmers will pay more for spares ....
Shit. I knew that name seemed vaguely familiar:

local firm.

Suite 1A, Coleshill House, Coleshill Industrial Estate, 1 Station Rd, Coleshill, Birmingham B46 1HT

I think they were customers of a previous employer of mine.

mrslaughan · 08/02/2021 17:03

Well the farmers around here weren't (Hertfordshire) spoke to several - who were getting all there info from local farming grouos and they all though it was the best thing..... none could articulate why (with joined up thinking)

DrBlackbird · 08/02/2021 17:04

I'm just back from shopping. Again, quite a few gaps in the shelves. This is M&S... fruit and veg seems okay'ish. It's more the chiller stuff. The 'niceties' that we used to like. V limited / not there.

It will just be a case of a thousand tiny cuts, won't it? Little by little, not quite getting what we used to and replaced by lower quality and somewhat different goods from other than the EU.

But don't ever expect our Brexiteers like Clav or those interviewed by the BBC or even my friend who said he'd still vote Leave again because he's 'stubborn' Hmm to be regretful about their choice or to admit that the reality is different from what they claimed it would be.

Humans have a long and illustratious history of denying reality in order to escape cognitive dissonance.

I think some while back a PP wrote about Festinger's book 'When Prophecy Fails' and how people just alter the 'evidence' and redefine the failure. Our gov't is doing a spectacular job in leading the way on this very phenomenon. Aided and abetted by a helpful online chorus.

Clavinova · 08/02/2021 17:07

ListeningQuietly
It's about Scottish fishermen landing their catch in Boulogne

Seems unlikely to me - I thought they landed their catch in Scotland - then transported by lorry/ferry/tunnel.

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