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Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.

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RedToothBrush · 31/01/2021 13:58

An 'interesting' week. To say the least.

It has highlighted the purpose, point and weaknesses of the EU. It has revealled that the Irish Border is an ongoing issue which can not be ignored. Not only is it causing shortages in NI but it also reminds us that a zero covid strategy for the UK can not be managed unilaterally; we are not New Zealand.

It shows up the changing geo-politics of leaving. We have applied to join the Asia-Pacific free trade pact just a day after Macron told us to chose out allies and reminded us that geography and history have always tied our fate to France.

The epic fuck up of the EU has lead a rallying cry of support for leaving... but covid is currently hiding much of the reality of the implications of Brexit which will yet come out in the wash.

Brexit and Covid are tied together as conjoined twins of economic disaster though. Once restrictions start to lift, the shit will start to hit the fan. The efforts on where to aportion blame will start but it won't be on Brexit. We've known this for some time. Brexit no longer is relevant. Except of course it is. But who is writing the winner's narrative? Things are as they have always been. There is no squirrel. The squirrel is thinking that Brexit and Covid are separate things when those in charge don't.

In terms of the vaccine suggest, I think its worth reflecting on why it was successful. Johnson played the vaccine procurement like a gambler, who bet on all the horses in order to ensure we got a winner. Throwing the kitchen sink at a problem which shut the entire economy down was always the safe option. Especially when it was also a pretty certain bet that there would be unequal rollout and a shortage when one was found. If you think about it in those terms, it easier to see how this has been a success for the government: if only one vaccine was successful, we'd be grateful we'd invested in so many options. If all the vaccines came in good we'd end up in a good place. It was a win:win strategy, and one that was not that hard to do. We now find that whilst we were cutting the International Aid Budget we were also working on soft power that excess vaccine stocks and production capability bring... I note here its actually much harder to pull off successfully if you are considerably larger like the EU because of the sheer numbers involved - the dynamics always favoured the UK and I think this probably was something the UK was aware of and was worked into strategic planning. Other things will be much harder to get such easy political wins on - not least because they still involve the economics of geography and that being smaller is typically a weakness not a strength in trading - vaccines and supply shortages are the ultimate exception not the rule. The rule is proven by the EU's politicking and the threat of a vaccine trade war.

Thus the Tory Party have seen Brexit and Covid as being intrinsically linked for some time. I don't think everyone else has quite managed to wrap their head around the fact that its near impossible at this stage to disentangle to two because of this mentality.

This current batch of Tories are disaster capitalists after all, and the twin of Brexit and Covid is a gift to their ambition.

I'll just remind you what the goal really is here. Remember Johnson's speech at the Tory Party Conference in October:
www.conservatives.com/news/boris-johnson-read-the-prime-ministers-keynote-speech-in-full

We have been through too much frustration and hardship just to settle for the status quo ante – to think that life can go on as it was before the plague; and it will not. Because history teaches us that events of this magnitude – wars, famines, plagues; events that affect the vast bulk of humanity, as this virus has – they do not just come and go.

They are more often than not the trigger for an acceleration of social and economic change, because we human beings will not simply content ourselves with a repair job.

He is fully signed up to the Cummings/Gove school of thought of burn it down and rebuild afresh.

The idea that he cares about sorting out and repairing the problems Brexit brings, miss the ultimate point: He doesn't want to.

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DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 11:46

@FatCatThinCat

I think that despite all the evidence, there's a part of my brain which just can't accept this level of blatant deceiption.
If you make the lie big enough, and repeat it often enough, people will believe it.

Can't remember who said that now.

Peregrina · 08/02/2021 12:25

I am sure you can remember DGR. Goebbels.

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 12:32

I remember when Deal was cut off for a week with 6 foot drifts.

Would that make it No-Deal ?

I've already got my coat.

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 12:33

It seems very odd that they are shouting alternate facts

The Man In The High Castle ...

Jason118 · 08/02/2021 13:06

I know we know but I think it needs linking

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business/owner-first-lobster-tank-business-europes-largest-shellfish-port-forced-close-due-brexit-restraints-3127061?fbclid=IwAR2OjnG6N3i42GJSprtkGfmdhweEAbc6O_8cCDFngYtlNGd9bTPEzx5KIX0
As forecast here, businesses will go. These are people too - the whole Leave thing needs calling out as the Project Reality facts mount.

borntobequiet · 08/02/2021 13:31

Fish taskforce!
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000s17r

Jason118 · 08/02/2021 13:35

How much will it take for them to say, "Sorry, we fucked up".

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 14:01

[quote borntobequiet]Fish taskforce!
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000s17r[/quote]

  1. If they can't write it, I ain't listening (that also goes for the growing trend of trying to use videos to replace written content).

  2. We know that we live in a country where the answer to not enough houses is to make mortgages easier. So I really don't need to give up increasingly precious minutes of my diminishing life to hear the same logic applied to fishing.

LouiseCollins28 · 08/02/2021 14:01

[quote borntobequiet]Fish taskforce!
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000s17r[/quote]
Lets hope they can grasp the scales of the problem Grin
Move along now, no fin to see here Smile

borntobequiet · 08/02/2021 14:15

1) If they can't write it, I ain't listening (that also goes for the growing trend of trying to use videos to replace written content).

So what? Don’t bother then. Why tell me and everyone else that you don’t want to? Someone might like it, so I posted it, as I generally do if Farming Today covers anything Brexit related.

Clavinova · 08/02/2021 14:35

Some people have got their head around the new paperwork;

O Toole Transport Ltd. Jan 20
Good news story. Our daily groupage services from Scotland > Boulogne are fully operational. We are operating 1 of 3 Export hubs in the central belt and are delighted to report that there are no delays in Ours. If you need groupage taken to France call...

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 14:42

@Clavinova

Some people have got their head around the new paperwork;

O Toole Transport Ltd. Jan 20
Good news story. Our daily groupage services from Scotland > Boulogne are fully operational. We are operating 1 of 3 Export hubs in the central belt and are delighted to report that there are no delays in Ours. If you need groupage taken to France call...

Er, Clav, that's an Irish company.

I take it the fact you couldn't c'n'p a UK company means that we are still fucked ?

Jason118 · 08/02/2021 15:01

What benefits are we getting for this new paperwork, fewer trees?

Clavinova · 08/02/2021 15:14

this is a blow to beekeepers all over Britain as Italian bees are preferred

Clearly some disagreement on this topic:

Importation of Bees
The British Beekeepers Association discourage the importation of queen bees and colonies from outside the UK. Also bee importations are banned into the Isle of Man.

www.bbka.org.uk/pages/category/should-i-keep-bees/tag/should-i-keep-bees

A colony of BeeLeavers in Scotland. Grin

2017 A leading biologist says Scotland's native honey bees are being threatened by imports brought in because of the hobby's growing popularity.

A new group, the Scottish Native Honey Bee Society, has been formed to help protect the indigenous species.

It aims to convince more keepers to convert their colonies to native bees.

The imported bees are more readily available but carry a greater risk of bringing in disease from the Varroa mite.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39456644

ListeningQuietly · 08/02/2021 15:16

@Clavinova

Some people have got their head around the new paperwork;

O Toole Transport Ltd. Jan 20
Good news story. Our daily groupage services from Scotland > Boulogne are fully operational. We are operating 1 of 3 Export hubs in the central belt and are delighted to report that there are no delays in Ours. If you need groupage taken to France call...

How are they getting to Boulogne - as the ferry port there closed long ago ....
Clavinova · 08/02/2021 15:18

Er, Clav, that's an Irish company.

They opened their warehouse in Glasgow in April 2019.

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 15:19

How are they getting to Boulogne - as the ferry port there closed long ago ...

Hmm

www.portboulognecalais.fr/en/

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 15:20

@Clavinova

Er, Clav, that's an Irish company.

They opened their warehouse in Glasgow in April 2019.

They are still an Irish Company

We all want to hear about British companies doing well out of Brexit. Admittedly that wasn't what the Leave campaign promised.

But it would be nice.

ListeningQuietly · 08/02/2021 15:26

[quote DGRossetti]How are they getting to Boulogne - as the ferry port there closed long ago ...

Hmm

www.portboulognecalais.fr/en/[/quote]
Yup, Calais owns Boulogne. Find me the ferry times ....

(I spent Easter in Boulogne in 2018, it was lovely and peaceful because there were no Ferries and thus no lorries or people trying to get to England)

ListeningQuietly · 08/02/2021 15:28

@Clavinova

Er, Clav, that's an Irish company.

They opened their warehouse in Glasgow in April 2019.

Clav, your quote was from a tweet oddly its not on their website news feed
DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 15:29

Yup, Calais owns Boulogne. Find me the ferry times ....

Come on, this is Brexit. Who needs proof or evidence. Surely me just feeling there are ferries there makes it so ?

Grin

So, the mystery deepens. What are this Irish company doing, apart from (seemingly) trolling Clav ?

Jason118 · 08/02/2021 15:30

Can we spread bet on how long it takes for Clav to bow to the inevitable. Eventually it's pointless to keep on polishing......

DGRossetti · 08/02/2021 15:33

@Jason118

Can we spread bet on how long it takes for Clav to bow to the inevitable. Eventually it's pointless to keep on polishing......
It's my understanding they have to pop out Grin
LouiseCollins28 · 08/02/2021 15:45

"A new group, the Scottish Native Honey Bee Society, has been formed to help protect the indigenous species.it aims to convince more keepers to convert their colonies to native bees.

See, when I read things like that I start thinking about weird things like Bee citizenship tests! Grin Does a non native bee chose a scottish thistle or some non Scottish flower, does he/she/it prefer supping Coca Cola or Irn Bru Grin

Clavinova · 08/02/2021 15:59

DGRossetti
I feel like I'm doing Clavs job for them now.
Sorry Merkel! Cadbury to move Dairy Milk production from Germany to UK - £15m investment

Oh yes, mentioned on this fascinating website - thanks!

www.mtdmfg.com/news/

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