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Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.

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RedToothBrush · 31/01/2021 13:58

An 'interesting' week. To say the least.

It has highlighted the purpose, point and weaknesses of the EU. It has revealled that the Irish Border is an ongoing issue which can not be ignored. Not only is it causing shortages in NI but it also reminds us that a zero covid strategy for the UK can not be managed unilaterally; we are not New Zealand.

It shows up the changing geo-politics of leaving. We have applied to join the Asia-Pacific free trade pact just a day after Macron told us to chose out allies and reminded us that geography and history have always tied our fate to France.

The epic fuck up of the EU has lead a rallying cry of support for leaving... but covid is currently hiding much of the reality of the implications of Brexit which will yet come out in the wash.

Brexit and Covid are tied together as conjoined twins of economic disaster though. Once restrictions start to lift, the shit will start to hit the fan. The efforts on where to aportion blame will start but it won't be on Brexit. We've known this for some time. Brexit no longer is relevant. Except of course it is. But who is writing the winner's narrative? Things are as they have always been. There is no squirrel. The squirrel is thinking that Brexit and Covid are separate things when those in charge don't.

In terms of the vaccine suggest, I think its worth reflecting on why it was successful. Johnson played the vaccine procurement like a gambler, who bet on all the horses in order to ensure we got a winner. Throwing the kitchen sink at a problem which shut the entire economy down was always the safe option. Especially when it was also a pretty certain bet that there would be unequal rollout and a shortage when one was found. If you think about it in those terms, it easier to see how this has been a success for the government: if only one vaccine was successful, we'd be grateful we'd invested in so many options. If all the vaccines came in good we'd end up in a good place. It was a win:win strategy, and one that was not that hard to do. We now find that whilst we were cutting the International Aid Budget we were also working on soft power that excess vaccine stocks and production capability bring... I note here its actually much harder to pull off successfully if you are considerably larger like the EU because of the sheer numbers involved - the dynamics always favoured the UK and I think this probably was something the UK was aware of and was worked into strategic planning. Other things will be much harder to get such easy political wins on - not least because they still involve the economics of geography and that being smaller is typically a weakness not a strength in trading - vaccines and supply shortages are the ultimate exception not the rule. The rule is proven by the EU's politicking and the threat of a vaccine trade war.

Thus the Tory Party have seen Brexit and Covid as being intrinsically linked for some time. I don't think everyone else has quite managed to wrap their head around the fact that its near impossible at this stage to disentangle to two because of this mentality.

This current batch of Tories are disaster capitalists after all, and the twin of Brexit and Covid is a gift to their ambition.

I'll just remind you what the goal really is here. Remember Johnson's speech at the Tory Party Conference in October:
www.conservatives.com/news/boris-johnson-read-the-prime-ministers-keynote-speech-in-full

We have been through too much frustration and hardship just to settle for the status quo ante – to think that life can go on as it was before the plague; and it will not. Because history teaches us that events of this magnitude – wars, famines, plagues; events that affect the vast bulk of humanity, as this virus has – they do not just come and go.

They are more often than not the trigger for an acceleration of social and economic change, because we human beings will not simply content ourselves with a repair job.

He is fully signed up to the Cummings/Gove school of thought of burn it down and rebuild afresh.

The idea that he cares about sorting out and repairing the problems Brexit brings, miss the ultimate point: He doesn't want to.

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mrslaughan · 06/02/2021 16:37

Never over estimate the level of education in the horse world ...... they often leave school at 16 having had patchy attendance for years

SabrinaThwaite · 06/02/2021 16:40

@mrslaughan

I think you may be reading too much into his horses name...... he was after all a chestnut ...... horses do end up with odd names .
But still remarkably tin eared. It's not a name I would ever have considered (although maybe it was a marketing ploy as he ended up being sold to Roelof Bril).
Eve · 06/02/2021 17:30

@SabrinaThwaite

Given that William Funnell called his horse Billy Orange, I think we can guess his political stance (or else he's really, really thick).
Billy is his stud name, every horse he breeds is a Billy prefix, given the number of horses they breed doubt much thought goes into names ( they have a Billy Jaffa for sale at moment! )

As you say he will have exported horses and no doubt imported mares / semen from all over the world so should have had a very good idea of the costs.

No doubt he was another thinking it would bring lower costs & less pesky H&S rules.

Eve · 06/02/2021 17:39

Apologies SabrinaThwaite , I am probably telling you , what you already know.

DGRossetti · 06/02/2021 17:40

I know it's vulgar abuse, but for some reason I am sure there is a traditional folk song that someone could write that starts off

Billy Funnell, what a tool ...

SabrinaThwaite · 06/02/2021 18:16

I know Funnell has a big breeding business (over 70 foals a year), and I also read that he’d like to sell more of these into the UK, and that “Billy” is the stud prefix.

I was just a bit Confused that someone would call a horse Billy Orange as it just flags up King Billy / Billy Boys / Orange Order to me (the Orange Order marches to The Billy Boys).

Maybe that’s just me though.

prettybird · 06/02/2021 18:18

Maybe that's just the Scottish Orange Walk connotation Sad - because that's the first thing that came to my mind Sad

The Orange Walls are a blight on the West of Scotland. They make my skin crawl Sad

ListeningQuietly · 06/02/2021 18:23

I agree, I saw the Orange word and heard whistles and saw marches Sad
the only safe one is the Chocolate Orange

Eve · 06/02/2021 18:29

Maybe he should name the next ones Billy Brexit Fool & Billy Brexit Regret

DGRossetti · 06/02/2021 19:05

I know Funnell has a big breeding business

Which, ironically, is now fucked.

When the universe speaks, you can listen, or call it Project Fear, eh, Billy soon-to-be-no-mates ?

prettybird · 06/02/2021 19:12

Oops - Orange Walks , not Walls Blush

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 06/02/2021 19:35

Given how loaded a name "Billy" is on the island of Ireland, its likely a deliberate choice.

SabrinaThwaite · 06/02/2021 20:58

@ICouldHaveCheckedFirst

Given how loaded a name "Billy" is on the island of Ireland, its likely a deliberate choice.
Funnell’s partner in the business is from County Wexford.
Peregrina · 06/02/2021 21:23

Well at least some people are laying the blame in the right quarter, but I expect that come the next election Gove will still be returned with a large majority.

We can at least confirm from reading these threads that the Road Haulage Association has been warning about potential problems for some time now.

TheABC · 06/02/2021 21:48

It's a bitter kind of satisfying to know that Brexit will be an albatross for years, around the Government's neck. Not by the populace, but by the need for perpetual negotiations on NI's border and the tariff/regulations deal.

TatianaBis · 06/02/2021 22:54

Fury at Gove as exports to EU slashed by 68%

TatianaBis · 06/02/2021 22:57

Sorry I missed your link Peregrina.

TatianaBis · 06/02/2021 22:57

Shane Brennan, chief executive of the Cold Chain Federation, the body for companies that move and store frozen and chilled foods, said: “As we look to April through to July what really worries me is we face a perfect storm.

“We will have an economy looking to come out of lockdown at the same time as the UK is imposing a range of import controls on EU business that may be no more prepared than UK businesses have been – and possibly less so – and a supply chain that is incredibly reluctant to service the UK. The full Brexit crisis that we were predicting could well come into effect at that point.”

DrBlackbird · 07/02/2021 01:05

But what the hell can possibly be done when the govt response is one of utter indifference / refusal to acknowledge a problem?

We do not recognise the figure provided on exports. Thanks to the hard work of hauliers and traders to prepare for change, disruption at the border has so far been minimal and freight movements are now close to normal levels, despite the Covid-19 pandemic

SabrinaThwaite · 07/02/2021 06:21

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Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.
mathanxiety · 07/02/2021 06:31

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/06/fury-at-gove-as-exports-to-eu-slashed-by-68-since-brexit

Gove is only interested in the NI problems because of the opportunity they offer to pander to the DUP and further his aim of destroying the GFA.

mathanxiety · 07/02/2021 08:36

The very clever and insightful Marina Hyde article calls to mind a whimsical old book, 'Portrait of Europe', by Salvador de Madariaga. In the section on 'European Resonances', he claims the English, the Spanish, and the Russians are united in their madness, all in their own way in revolt against the rational...

Peregrina · 07/02/2021 08:41

The English, Spanish and Russians have all lost Empires, maybe that's why. But then so have the Austrians and the Turks (Ottomans), are they mad too?

DGRossetti · 07/02/2021 10:41

@Peregrina

The English, Spanish and Russians have all lost Empires, maybe that's why. But then so have the Austrians and the Turks (Ottomans), are they mad too?
Last Empire standing ?

Also, the British Empire was briefly of value to the US in the fight against communism. Not any more.

It's becoming clear Brexit is really just a proxy battle to destroy the GFA. In fact that's all it ever was. So anyone who voted leave not realising that is has either been fooled and can admit it. (and there's more joy in Heaven etc ...) Or they are so thick they still don't see it.

Incidentally, interesting as these news stories are, the one think they all have in common is a total lack of any suggestion that the people who claim they wish they had not voted leave have any intention of actually doing anything about it. In a depressing theme of Brexit it's clear they now expect someone else to fix their shit.

DGRossetti · 07/02/2021 10:52

@DrBlackbird

But what the hell can possibly be done when the govt response is one of utter indifference / refusal to acknowledge a problem?

We do not recognise the figure provided on exports. Thanks to the hard work of hauliers and traders to prepare for change, disruption at the border has so far been minimal and freight movements are now close to normal levels, despite the Covid-19 pandemic

I see a few BeLeavers are now saying that well that shows not all exports were vital, doesn't it .... - yet more rewriting of history.

So the reality is we have the entire industry explaining what the problem is, and a wall of Leavers telling them to STFU they have no idea what they are talking about.

And it seems - apocryphally - that's mainly retired people (say 60-80) telling people in industry (say 40-60) that they haven't a clue what they are talking about. Certainly in logistics where a lot of posts go "we did it in the 1970s ....

This is not a great situation to foster a respect for the older generation.

I wonder what would be needed to create a meme that GFA means "Gove Fucked Anally" ?

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