Westminstenders: Move Your Business To The EU

[RedToothBrush]

The government is advising people to move their businesses to the EU to avoid UK taxation and red tape.

Why would you do this?

For the interests of the uk?

Or is it about power WITHIN the uk?

There was a lot of stuff about for eg the possibility of continued EU citizenship - which certainly implies that people thought the EU was "nice". (Encouraged by people who should have known better it has to be said).

Actually brexiters were guilty of this too, as plainly a lot of people who thought that the deal would provide free trade (including some quite big companies) had basically assumed that the EU would just wave stuff across borders instead of enforcing the law.

I'm not specifically talking about people on this thread who are far better informed than most remainers IME.

@Mistigri

The U.K. also has a major comms problem if EMA does not approve the AZ vaccine or only approved it for certain groups.

Note that even if that happens it does not necessarily mean that the MHRA was wrong to grant conditional approval. (The UK was in a uniquely bad way with regard to Covid in December). But it does mean that it will have a careful PR job to do, by a government that does not know how to do careful.

It will indeed and im grateful for the prompt rollback from the German government but the roll back is after a massive comms disaster for BOTH the uk and EU.

There is room for AZ to take legal action over it. And the piss poor fact checking in the media both in Germany and the UK is utterly appalling. It is precisely why we have a fake news issue. It illustrates the issue very well.

What is striking is how much anti-uk feeling and bitterness the whole story shows up too.

The German newspapers didn't at any point stop to think hang on why have the reputable scientists at the MHRA approved this. There may be good reason for the EMA not to approve it but the idea that the MHRA are that wildly out is also hard to imagine too.

If the EU want to avoid the same problems the uk have had and they want to tackle fake news as much as they say they need to take a long hard look at what this story shows up.

Its not a pretty one.

It also undermines their own vaccination messaging. If you were under 55 would you be keen on the AZ vaccine? Will it push up demand for Pfizer? Will it undermine vaccine efforts in the rest of the world?

Who benefits from this.

All an absolute car crash.

Well, IME, you're incorrect, and shouldn't rely on SM and the press for your information. Same with vaccines.

There was a lot of stuff about for eg the possibility of continued EU citizenship - which certainly implies that people thought the EU was "nice". (Encouraged by people who should have known better it has to be said).

Well all those offices that the UK government is encouraging UK firms to set up in the UK will struggle to employ non-EU citizens.

(Also, they'll have to adhere to EU labour laws ....)

All an absolute car crash.

Totally agree. A lesson in why no one should ever play the vaccine nationalism, beggar my neighbour card. We should all want our neighbours to have successful vaccination programmes.

As for the German press. Meh. I've spent the last month reading vaccine jingoism and vaccine scepticism from prominent U.K. media outlets. Two wrongs doesn't make a right, but one wrong makes a second wrong a lot more likely.

Also if the EU contract has flaws someone had their eye off the ball.

The EU should have been on the look out for 'queue jumping' loop holes. There was every chance other countries might offer more more (middle east for example) for priority. This isnt just about the Uk. Also given theyve just spent 4 years in talks with the uk and dont trust the uk it kind of makes it worse if theyve missed something significant in the contract!

I dunno. I think its a case which highlights the new relationship and trading dynamics post transition.

Things have definitely changed in a variety of ways.

The EU always tried to get the best deal for its members screwing those outside in the process. That is on of the point of being in a trading block rather than outside of one...

What is striking is how much anti-uk feeling and bitterness the whole story shows up too.

I'm sorry but I lol-ed at that. What The Actual Fuck did you expect? In the week when the U.K. refused diplomatic privileges to the EU ambassador.

@Mistigri

All an absolute car crash.

Totally agree. A lesson in why no one should ever play the vaccine nationalism, beggar my neighbour card. We should all want our neighbours to have successful vaccination programmes.

As for the German press. Meh. I've spent the last month reading vaccine jingoism and vaccine scepticism from prominent U.K. media outlets. Two wrongs doesn't make a right, but one wrong makes a second wrong a lot more likely.

Yes thats true.

However as i say, if the EU want to avoid certain problems internally they need to keep an eye on where this is happening.

Covid is a far bigger threat to unity than brexit ever was. Rising nationalism occurring in parallel with that, isnt good.

We don't know what the contract says tbf - only what some generally quite unreliable (and government linked) journalists have been told. I'm agnostic about this until we have more info.

Not the main point anyway - AZ might or might not be in legal jeopardy but they are sure as hell in reputational and regulatory jeopardy.

And the BBC are finally publishing stories to which my comment is (surprise surprise)
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55752541
I told you so

Also if the EU contract has flaws someone had their eye off the ball.

They were busy with Brexit ? In particular dealing with Johnsonian bluster and treaty-busting ?

@Mistigri

What is striking is how much anti-uk feeling and bitterness the whole story shows up too.

I'm sorry but I lol-ed at that. What The Actual Fuck did you expect? In the week when the U.K. refused diplomatic privileges to the EU ambassador.

I expect exactly that.

My point is more that the uk are surprised by it.

We also are in a situation which requires significant international cooperation, and Brexit has driven a truck through that which damages common interests in the uk and EU.

I wish they'd all belt up with it. Its hurting us not the politicians.

LQ-I mean yes it is very much I told you so😂😂😂😂😂 I think I have finally got through to relatives in NZ not to send us parcels - the amount we were always charged was more than the present was actually worth...... esp when GP decided it was important to send the kids individual parcels......

Just to be clear that I am absolutely not a vaccine sceptic - I'd take the AZ vaccine tomorrow if offered. I don't think anyone seriously doubts that it's safe.

We also are in a situation which requires significant international cooperation, and Brexit has driven a truck through that which damages common interests in the uk and EU.

Totally agree. Unfortunately things are going to get worse before they get better. I'm starting to wonder if I will see my mum this year after all.

@Mistigri

We don't know what the contract says tbf - only what some generally quite unreliable (and government linked) journalists have been told. I'm agnostic about this until we have more info.

Not the main point anyway - AZ might or might not be in legal jeopardy but they are sure as hell in reputational and regulatory jeopardy.

Yes indeed.

Im pretty sure we will find out the details of what the actual position is.

For the time being im reserving judgment. I find it hard to believe that AZ would expose themselves legally though. They know better than anyone the potential pitfalls on that score.

Given AZ is doing the vaccine not for profit 'punishing AZ' for contract issues hurts not just the parties involved too and we should be concerned about that.

@ListeningQuietly

And the BBC are finally publishing stories to which my comment is (surprise surprise) www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55752541 I told you so

Sorry that is a bollocks story, rammed with the BBCs usual level of gaslighting

Despite the free trade deal agreed before Christmas, which promised to smooth the UK's exit from the EU

What fucking free fucking trade fucking deal did the UK agree with the EU.

None, that's what.

Did I say they replied to my complaint about a headline ‘Brexit: Five surprising consequences’ ? Apparently because one person might have found it "surprising" (they didn't say who) it was more appropriate than a headline saying "millions of people proved right" - which apparently would have confused readers who had been following government advice.

So fuck the BBC, again. They can die the death they sold their soul for.

@ListeningQuietly

And the BBC are finally publishing stories to which my comment is (surprise surprise) www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55752541 I told you so

Dh recently bought a present for a friend in another country. After investigating how much it would cost to buy and send something from the uk, he bought something in the country they lived and got in delivered internally.

I suppose that does at least save some whales or something.

RTB
Dh recently bought a present for a friend in another country. After investigating how much it would cost to buy and send something from the uk, he bought something in the country they lived and got in delivered internally.
This
Every time.

I buy my aged P proper British Stilton for Christmas each year.
I have found a specialist supplier a few miles from them
and order it to be delivered directly.

Unless you are ordering something that CANNOT be supplied around the world
then always pay for the shortest retail delivery distance

DGR
You are quite right that the 5 surprising things
is just bullshit
but I think the fact that even the BBC cannot be pressured to hide such stories now
is feeding into the concern at Tory HQ

but I think the fact that even the BBC cannot be pressured to hide such stories now is feeding into the concern at Tory HQ

Good, let's hope they are shitting themselves for all the problems they have caused us.

BTW why is Clavinova not onto the vaccine story?An EU f**k up should be right up her street.

They know better than anyone the potential pitfalls on that score.

AZ is a pharma company, you'd think they'd know about conducting clinical trials. Nevetheless...

You'd be amazed at how incompetent bits of big companies can be even when overall the company is kind of competent and successful.

At work we are dealing with the fall out of board approved company strategy for which no one thought to consider the elasticity of supply of a critical ingredient.

Also, quelle surprise, Reuters reporting that AZ has found some extra vaccine supply to deliver in February.

Also, quelle surprise, Reuters reporting that AZ has found some extra vaccine supply to deliver in February.

Such is life - bad publicity and they decided they can get their act together after all. It happens all the time

You'd be amazed at how incompetent bits of big companies can be even when overall the company is kind of competent and successful.

I wouldn't, having read The Peter Principle aged 16.

Speaking of incompetence

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brussels-to-launch-communication-campaign-aimed-at-teaching-young-brits-about-eu/26/01/

Officials in Brussels are reportedly set to launch a communications campaign aimed at teaching young Britain about the EU, a leaked internal document obtained by the Express has shown.

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