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Westministenders: Where's my milk and cheese?

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RedToothBrush · 06/01/2021 23:47

The 'smooth' exit from transition now leads to a million and one little things that you can't get hold of or took completely for granted.

Why is sainsbury in NI selling spa milk? Why can't you get hold of your favourite food stuff?

Its a slow strangulation of the country.

In which you get to learn all about the merits of the EU and what a donkey Johnson really is.

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OchonAgusOchonO · 10/01/2021 14:13

Not sure where the milk is sourced for the NI factory

Milk is an all-Ireland product. NI milk can cross the border to go to a creamery in the Republic then cross back again (but mixed with southern milk) to be processed in NI.

Mistigri · 10/01/2021 14:14

Starmer knows that remainers have nowhere else to go, though.

Tactically it seems like an odd choice to rule out a closer relationship, though. Public opinion will change as Brexit impacts are felt.

SabrinaThwaite · 10/01/2021 14:16

@OchonAgusOchonO

Not sure where the milk is sourced for the NI factory

Milk is an all-Ireland product. NI milk can cross the border to go to a creamery in the Republic then cross back again (but mixed with southern milk) to be processed in NI.

But giving a preferential price to Red Tractor assured producers suggested to me that they could favour NI producers?
Peregrina · 10/01/2021 14:17

I think he made a mistake with his acceptance of the Boris deal. The Tories would have got it through anyway, but now Johnson will take care to blame Labour for voting for it.

ListeningQuietly · 10/01/2021 14:20

@Peregrina

I think he made a mistake with his acceptance of the Boris deal. The Tories would have got it through anyway, but now Johnson will take care to blame Labour for voting for it.
This with bells on.

Yes, we have nowhere else to go in a General Election
but we are not due one for a while
and if Remainers decide to stay home, the London seats start to look very shaky.

I'm not sure who is advising Starmer but I'll hazard a guess they still think identity politics is a good thing Sad

TatianaBis · 10/01/2021 14:28

@Mistigri

Starmer knows that remainers have nowhere else to go, though.

Tactically it seems like an odd choice to rule out a closer relationship, though. Public opinion will change as Brexit impacts are felt.

It confirms to me that Labour are still antsy about losing more Lexiters.

Personally I think the GE loss was only partially Lexiters voting to get Brexit done, it was also massively personal dislike or distrust of JC with his throwback 70s polices. (I don’t include broadband in that and personally I’d rather have nationalised rail industry if it wouldn’t cost and arm and a leg to achieve).

TatianaBis · 10/01/2021 14:33

I don’t personally have much stake in the whole Labour can be blamed for the deal. The only alternative was no deal. This is Tory deal from start to finish, Brexit is a Tory project.

I hold particular ex Labour MPs responsible for getting Tory Brexit done in earlier key stages, but I don’t blame them at this stage.

Shrillharridan · 10/01/2021 14:36

Nearly 50 and politically homeless.
Not a great feeling
Starmer has been a huge disappointment to me so far

ListeningQuietly · 10/01/2021 14:39

Personally I think the GE loss was only partially Lexiters voting to get Brexit done, it was also massively personal dislike or distrust of JC with his throwback 70s polices.
Definitely.
And it has to be said, Identity politics.

Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Catholics and active Christians are not wild about parties who deny the existence of males and females
The anti semitisism of JC and his crowd was blown up but the splitters stuff was not.
Anybody who did not believe was not welcome
and the activities of some of the Momentum acolytes in regional PLP meetings pissed a lot of people right off.

TBH the more extreme version of it was why, I think, the LibDems did not pick up votes and were thus annihilated.

Its also why people are now Tory or not Tory (see the Johnson thread for examples) as there are no decent alternatives in England

MaxNormal · 10/01/2021 14:40

What the fuck is Starmer playing at here? No interest in improving our situation with the EU, dismissal of Scottish independence - what exactly is he for?

So both major parties are going to just sit and do nothing while the many, far reaching and disastrous consequences of this pathetic deal make themselves felt?

They've lost the plot.

MaxNormal · 10/01/2021 14:42

@ListeningQuietly agree.
I'm not wild about where the SNP stand on these issues either but I can hold my nose, and there's at least sane members like Joanna Cherry who are still prominent in the party.

OchonAgusOchonO · 10/01/2021 14:48

@SabrinaThwaite - But giving a preferential price to Red Tractor assured producers suggested to me that they could favour NI producers?

I'm not particularly knowledgeable about the dairy industry but I do know, particularly for border counties either side of the border, the local creamery is across the border and the output is a mix of NI and Irish milk.

The Glanbia website says: All our GB contracted farmer suppliers have Red Tractor Farm Assurance accreditation.

That suggests to me that NI is different as if it included NI it would say UK rather than GB. I am only speculating though.

DGRossetti · 10/01/2021 14:51

Starmer knows that remainers have nowhere else to go, though.

If Farages baloney about fixing the voting system is true, I could vote Farage first to dump FPTP and the have a choice of Rejoining parties to choose from, knowing my vote counts.

It's hard to put your finger on it, but I can sort of get a sense of why the Trump protesters use the word disenfranchised - albeit without thinking.

What's the point of having a vote, if no one is even on the same page as you ideologically again ? You either don't vote - so disenfranchise yourself. Or you find yourself voting for a bunch of cunts and therefore legitimising them and maintaining the status quo.

It really does start to look like violent change is inevitable over centuries. Only with our new educated overlords, the trick has been realised of formenting violent change that in itself does not replace or overturn the ancient regime but merely reinforces it with the lie that everything has changed.

OchonAgusOchonO · 10/01/2021 14:55

@SabrinaThwaite - or maybe glanbia buy directly from the farms rather than from creameries.

Shrillharridan · 10/01/2021 15:03

I'll give ds1 my postal vote.
I cannot see me ever voting for a main party again (and I've voted, variously, Labour, lib dem and Green over the years...)
Its VERY apparent to me that over 40s women are not only ignored, but positively hated by some in all of the main parties.
How - how - is the only party that recognises what an adult human female is is also the party of gove, Patel et al.
I will never vote tory (I like to be able to sleep at night) but what a grim realisation.

TatianaBis · 10/01/2021 15:05

^The anti semitisism of JC and his crowd was blown up but the splitters stuff was not. Anybody who did not believe was not welcome
and the activities of some of the Momentum acolytes in regional PLP meetings pissed a lot of people right off.^

Yep.

I think Starmer is trying to right the ship through balance (and taking a firm line with AS etc) but you can’t be all things to all people. He’s in danger of being nothing to no-one. He’s not Brexity enough for Brexiters nor is he a Remainer.

NoSuchThingAsCheese · 10/01/2021 15:22

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 10/01/2021 15:25

interesting interview with Richard Burgon and Aaron Bastani

DGRossetti · 10/01/2021 15:30

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/09/pm-launches-operation-bleach-strip-references-eu-tens-thousands/

‘Operation Bleach’ to scrub EU from the statute book

Boris Johnson has secretly ordered civil servants to strip references to the European Union from tens of thousands of laws to stop Labour reversing Brexit after the next general election in a plan known by some in Whitehall as “Operation Bleach”.

Officials have been tasked with leafing through regulations and statutory instruments (SIs) covering the UK's 40 year membership of the EU so that Brexit is cemented in UK law and cannot be easily unwound by a future government.

The news comes just days after the European Research Group of Conservative MPs, in its verdict on the UK-EU post Brexit trade deal, warned that ministers would have to be "robust" in ensuring that Britain is not gradually reassimilated back into the influence of Brussels by future administrations.

Last week, former Labour shadow minister Rosie Duffield said the majority of Labour MPs were “desperate to rejoin” the EU “at heart”, adding that Labour MPs voted for Boris Johnson’s deal “with a heavy heart” and “haven’t given up” on EU membership.

In a move to ensure that Brexit cannot be unwound, the Prime Minister has tasked a team of 20 civil servants with the project which has been branded "Operation Bleach" by some insiders.

The officials are, according to a source, “looking at how we can cleanse our legislative framework of references to EU law, any kind of impact of EU law. It is going to be a mammoth task because there are thousands of pieces of legislation - statutory instruments, regulations; that sort of thing.”

Ministers said they were in a race against time to ensure that the changes were made before the next general election, expected in 2024, when a Labour government could try to re-forge links between London and Brussels.

One minister said: “This is the Government to do it - if a future Labour government won't.”

Another minister added: "The fear that people have was not that we would have another referendum but there would be a slow creep, making references to court rulings.

"People have wanted it so that if there were any change of view by future governments, at the very least it can't go unnoticed."

Ministers also want to ensure that any wording or nomenclature in laws will not lead judges who are reading it to refer back to European Court of Justice rulings which could lead to EU case law being enforced in the UK by the back door.

The work had started with the EU withdrawal treaty, which carefully “avoids the usage of EU terminology, to use more international law terms”.

One example was how the treaty so,ught to replace EU-friendly terms like "State Aid" with "subsidy system" which is more commonly used at the World Trade Organisation.

The Cabinet Office is understood to have been coordinating the work that has been largely carried out by the individual departments.

A second minister said: "The number of SIs and changes are a lot. Anything of note will have to go through the Commons at some point. There is still quite a number of SIs to go through. But all the major stuff is done."

The minister added: "There is quite a bit of work that has gone on. There may be some tidying up exercises. The exercise has been done, but perhaps not all of the changes have been made."

HM Treasury tried to replace EU terms with UK ones before the last election in a vote in the House of Commons, but the move was defeated by Tory rebels and Labour.

Mark Francois, Chairman of the ERG said: “In 2016, the Eurosceptic movement made a fundamental mistake, when we relaxed after the Referendum, thinking we had won.

“In contrast, the ardent Remainers redoubled their efforts and, after much Parliamentary chicanery, very nearly overturned the result.

“We must never repeat our gross error and always remain vigilant against any attempt to rejoin, especially from a Labour Party, led by a Remainer at heart.”

A Cabinet Office spokesman said: "We have taken back full control of our laws and have put in place the critical legislation ahead of 31st December 2020 to support transition and ensure a functioning statute book.

"The UK can now regulate in more innovative and effective ways which suit the UK economy and UK businesses without being bound by EU rules.

SabrinaThwaite · 10/01/2021 15:34

[quote OchonAgusOchonO]@SabrinaThwaite - or maybe glanbia buy directly from the farms rather than from creameries.[/quote]
Quite possibly:

Glanbia Cheese, a leading milk purchaser in Northern Ireland, has announced a number of changes to its milk payment policy, including a new Mozzarella Cheese Quality Bonus

www.farminglife.com/news/environment/glanbia-cheese-adds-additional-quality-and-volume-bonuses-milk-payment-policy-1028380

Peregrina · 10/01/2021 15:46

Operation Bleach is profoundly depressing, but I would like to hold out a glimmer of hope for myself, that when the tide turns, which it will eventually, Brexit will very much be seen as a Tory project.

I am not sure that changing the wording would actually change the practical application, and judges are capable of reading how the laws came about.

We supposedly held all the cards but haven't yet begun to see any benefits. How long will we have to wait/

Peregrina · 10/01/2021 15:47

"The UK can now regulate in more innovative and effective ways which suit the UK economy and UK businesses without being bound by EU rules

I'm blowed if I can see why adding a burden of red tape helps businesses to innovate.

DGRossetti · 10/01/2021 15:50

Incidentally, unless you are using water buffalo milk, it ain't mozzarella. Sorry folks.

ListeningQuietly · 10/01/2021 16:02

@DGRossetti

Incidentally, unless you are using water buffalo milk, it ain't mozzarella. Sorry folks.
Mozzarella di buffala and Mozzarella became separated years ago Smile
MaxNormal · 10/01/2021 16:03

That operation bleach stuff makes for depressing reading. It's the petty spite of it.

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