What have we gained by Brexit/leaving the EU?

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In simple terms.

I've read so much about what we've lost.

Please no sarcastic comments. I just want to know what we've gained - probably best if those who think Brexit is a positive thing post.

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Bit desperate if you're relying on contradicting a nine month old article to underpin Brexit. It's still an absolute crock.

The article demonstrates perfectly how things needn't be, and so far have not been as terribly disastrous as Remainers all swore they'd be - and frankly, many of you wished they'd be, just so you could be proved right. I swaer some of you would rather see the country go down the pan and take all of us with it than actually see this work at all, let alone work really well.

It's a perfect example of how Project Fear operated, and is still operating.

Thankfully, it matters not now.

It's one article. The basis of it is still relevant. Where is the cooperation with EMA in The Deal? We are losing and have lost a great deal as a nation and personally through this stupid red herring - and what have we gained? What?

You still don't know, and you can't say. What do you envisage will happen further to the Financial and Service sectors? Just pointing back to an old article - which actually still has relevance, but you don't understand how - and using that as some sort of evidence that Brexit is fine? Pathetic.

We were charged more than the EU for Pfizer www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-eu-pfizer-exclusiv/exclusive-europe-to-pay-less-than-u-s-for-pfizer-vaccine-under-initial-deal-source-idUKKBN27R1FL?edition-redirect=uk

And we are receiving Moderna in April - 3 months after EU www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-vaccine-moderna/european-drugs-authority-meets-again-over-moderna-vaccine-idUKKBN29B16O?edition-redirect=uk

I am not a procurement expert, but I believe this is because UK did not participate in the EU procurement scheme. So I am not sure the Guardian article was so wrong after all!

I note, though, the desperate attempts to hold up UK vaccination scheme as a benefit of Brexit - what an absolute crock.

"The article demonstrates perfectly how things needn't be, and so far have not been as terribly disastrous as Remainers all swore they'd be - and frankly, many of you wished they'd be, just so you could be proved right." I swaer some of you would rather see the country go down the pan and take all of us with it than actually see this work at all, let alone work really well.
This.

@lifestooshort123 That is such a cop-out, and a ridiculously mud-slinging & generally denigrating response which has zero impact on the real situation

@lifestooshort123

"The article demonstrates perfectly how things needn't be, and so far have not been as terribly disastrous as Remainers all swore they'd be - and frankly, many of you wished they'd be, just so you could be proved right." I swaer some of you would rather see the country go down the pan and take all of us with it than actually see this work at all, let alone work really well. This.

Goodness what nonsense. I don't know anyone (remainer or otherwise) who wants the country to "go down the pan" - not least because we fear for our children's futures.

In any event, as we have been told ad nauseam, the "wishes" of Remainers are irrelevant. We now get to see how the Brexiteers' great project pans out in practice. So far - not so great.

I’ll just leave this here.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/11/dutch-officials-seize-ham-sandwiches-from-british-drivers

Figmentofmyimagination

I remember leave voters on here laughing at me when I said going to Europe would become like going to America. There not a lot of joy to be had in 'I told you so'.

Fig I've been coming into the EU (UK and non-UK) from outside of it for years, several times a year and no-one has ever searched my bags or enquired after the contents of them, foodstuffs or otherwise.

I imagine this is a bit of a muscle flexing exercise to prove a point, and it will be highly publicised for a while to deter others from trying it. They just don't want huge backlogs at the border in the summer when they have to check every caravan's fridge and every tourist's car boot for packs of Cathedral City Cheddar.

It will settle down soon enough. It will be a case of pick your battles. They should have enough on their plates looking for drugs, bombs and illegal immigrants. As a rule the foodstuffs they have been interested in are from countries where meat products are unregulated; bush meat and various humming lumps of unidentifiable stuff from China, especially in quantities that look like they are to sell on. Not Brian and Joan from Wolverhampton's sandwiches and a bit of milk in their thermos of tea, from a country where they already KNOW that the food standards are, in all likelhood, still fully in line with EU rules. After all, the UK has led from the front on those rules so I see no reason why standards should suddenly plummet.

I fully support their rights to check and to apply the new rules as they see fit. I just don't imagine there will be much appetite to keep it up to this degree in the long term. After a while i imagine there will be a few blind eyes turned, and the odd spot check done as a way of paying lip service to the rule. Much the same as it has always been, they know who and what they need to target and where the real dangers lie. And it's not in Brian and Joan's sandwich which is probably full of ham produced in Denmark anyway.

After all, the UK has led from the front on those rules so I see no reason why standards should suddenly plummet

Didn't FM come from MOD waste food sent for animal feed?

Standards won't suddenly plummet but we chose to leave, we have to expect more checks, its almost certain food standards will change.

If you look at advice given to US holidaymakers to France (over many years) visitors are told about food imports, declaring goods such as bicycles etc at point of entry, carry receipts to avoid export charges when you leave.

I think we are in for a bit of a shock when things eventually get back to normal, followed by some very quick renegotiation.

Standards won't suddenly plummet but we chose to leave, we have to expect more checks, its almost certain food standards will change.

That's pretty much what I said, yes. And they may change somewhat, but not necessarily in a way that is going to be serious, genuine cause for concern with regard to safety or quality.

If you look at advice given to US holidaymakers to France (over many years) visitors are told about food imports, declaring goods such as bicycles etc at point of entry, carry receipts to avoid export charges when you leave.

Yes I know. And as I said, I have many years of first hand experience of what the checking process actually looks like. As I said, it will be a case of pick your battles.

Every time I go to the US, I have to be very careful about what, if any edible stuff I take in. It's extremely sensible for EU country border authorities to make the point that things are different. Given that we have been ground zero for Foot and Mouth before now, it makes sense for them to be cautious.
Sometimes shit isn't all about the UK's media headlines.

I thought the main inducement to get people to vote Leave was more millions for the NHS. So I'll just wait for that. I trust the government to come through with their promises.

Not Brian and Joan from Wolverhampton's sandwiches and a bit of milk in their thermos of tea, from a country where they already KNOW that the food standards are, in all likelhood, still fully in line with EU rules. After all, the UK has led from the front on those rules so I see no reason why standards should suddenly plummet.

The rules are the same at present, but the Government has made it quite clear that they want the freedom to move away from EU laws, which they will try to do as soon as possible, so standards could easily plummet.

It's extremely sensible for EU country border authorities to make the point that things are different.

I agree.

Given that we have been ground zero for Foot and Mouth before now, it makes sense for them to be cautious.

Except they didn't seem to worry too much about that before 1st January, did they? The F&M outbreak in 2001 rapidly spread to other countries and resulted in meat exports from all of the EU, not just the UK, being banned in many other countries outside of Europe. The UK being in the EU didn't protect the EU from being infected by it, did it?

Something like this could just as easily happen again from within the EU, in fact I imagine it's probably less easy to contain it when its coming from within a system where there is movement of livestock all over the place and fewer checks on produce from countries that supposedly comply to a common standards policy.

so standards could easily plummet.

Yes they could. All sorts of things could happen or might happen. Moving away from the confines of EU law means we could bring back capital punishment and we might start sending 6 year olds up chimneys. It doesn't mean we will.

We are day 12 of 'freedom' and things are already changing, and not for the better.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bees-kill-pesticide-insect-sugar-neonic-b1784693.html?fbclid=IwAR2HYyj8ufPIlbVkhfERgmGtxw80RYHDMNVDus_gdK6zRsoAoROEUjtjEgc

It's an emergency temporary arrangement, nothing to say the EU wouldn't have agreed to the same if requested by France for example, had the need arisen. Personally I am glad we have the autonomy to decide these things for ourselves. The early approval and roll out of the Covid vaccine for example, in which we are streets and streets ahead of most EU countries now.

There will be other things, no doubt, that the EU allows but the UK will not because it doesn't meet standards. It will swing both ways.

The early approval of the Covid vaccine was done under EU legislation. Other doses of vaccines will be made available later to the UK later than to EU countries because the UK declined to take part in their scheme. The doses will also cost more than they will for EU countries.
Personally I am not fully convinced of the Johnson Governments one step forward, two steps backward approach.

@FuriousWithTheNHS

Personally I am glad we have the autonomy to decide these things for ourselves. The early approval and roll out of the Covid vaccine for example, in which we are streets and streets ahead of most EU countries now.

You do realise the vaccine was first approved and delivered late last year? While we were still fully aligned with EU regulations?

Why are you furious with the NHS btw?

sovrinty innit

and control of are boarders

And we can now use pesticides that kill bees!

Petition for anyone wanting to continue the ban on bee killing pesticides.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/563943