Brexit - 90 day rule for UK citizens in the EU

[Hollybutnoivy]

Does anyone know how this will work? I'm resident in the EU but afaik the 90 day rule still applies - or is this different within Schengen because I can't see how it can be applied? Living relatively close to several borders mean we often pop over* to another country- I don't have an EU passport though.

*not at the moment obviously!

I assume that you can apply for a visa if you want to travel for longer? You can get visas for up to 5 years currently.

Make your application through the Rules that now apply to you and meanwhile chance it and/oradjust life to suit the Rules.

I've been an Illegal too, you just have to weigh things up and work it out, and you might even find something else worth aiming for or closer to home that is of greater importance.

You never know until you try. Good Luck.

Planning on driving a campervan around Europe. How will I be affected by these new rules? (none of which I bloody want & didn't vote for).

Will one visa cover whole area? Or do you need to apply for each country?

Those that are posting from Italy the closed Facebook group Uk citizens rights in Italy - Beyond Brexit is a brilliant source of information. Re the new biometric card this is basically a document which backs up the attestazione from what I can gather. So you need a permanent residency certificate, the attestazione and then from jan 1 we can apply for the new card from the questura. It is separate from the carta d’identità and basically says you can enter Italy without having your passport stamped and that your rights as a permanent resident prior to dec 31 this year are protected under the WA. Which doesn’t include free movement to work etc- just our rights in Italy. Am also doing the wait post application for citizenship at which point the new card etc won’t be needed. The amount of money we must all be spending on marca da bollo for all this should single handedly revive the Italian economy 😬

Planning on driving a campervan around Europe. How will I be affected by these new rules? (none of which I bloody want & didn't vote for).

Are you British? You don't need a visa yet although at some point in the near future you will need a visa waiver. You must not spend more than 90 days in any 6 month period in the Schengen area. (Unless you are an EU resident).

@Bananagio if it makes you feel any better, the application for naturalisation to become brit is now more than 1300£ per person (~1000 for kids), plus a plethora of other fees hidden here and there (and the language exam, and the test and this and that). And the waiting time is well in excess of a year. And at the end, you don’t get a passport that allows you fom, so...consider yours an investment ;-)

@Mistigri I did this a few years ago (and ended up moving to France). I met a lot of non EU citizens who were meticulous about keeping proof of how long they'd been in countries, things like receipts. I've heard a few rumours about ANPR being used in the future, although I suppose it's only an issue if you get stopped, which I did!

You'll be restricted to 90 days in the Schengen zone and then have to leave for 90.

Are you British? You don't need a visa yet although at some point in the near future you will need a visa waiver. You must not spend more than 90 days in any 6 month period in the Schengen area. (Unless you are an EU resident).

Yes I'm British (not EU resident unfortunately as this has been taken away from me by the selfish squad). I'll have to plan carefully not to get stuck down in Spain when the 90 days runs out.

@Hollybutnoivy I’m German living in the UK with my DH who’s British. As far as I can tell, the immediate family members of an EU citizen can move around the EU freely under Directive 2004/38/EC so if you have a EU spouse or children you should be fine to cross borders without any bother, as you’ll be exercising treaty rights. As you can tell, this has been occupying my time somewhat...

I suppose I could go to Morocco or Turkey and then re-enter for a new time period. It all seems nuts to me.

@OverTheRainbowLiesOz sorry, my comment was meant for you

@cherin am soooo glad there is no equivalent of the citizenship test here. And yes it’s definitely cheaper here - just waiting to see what delay Covid will add to what I was told should be 2 years but have got my eye fixed on the prize at the end

@cherin

Mmmh- when we met, my husband was not a Eu national, but resident in Italy for student purposes and he got a Carta d’identita’ with his Italian address and his nationality of birth (he since gathered a couple more ;-). That’s deemed acceptable to move around Italy, not always to cross borders outside EU, but as it would have your Italian address and it’s only ~20£ Id definitely suggest you get one, in addition to your U.K. passport. How anyone would count how long you spend outside the Italian borders...no idea. Unless they check hotel reservations. But not everybody goes to hotels these days (clearly, not these days these days;-) so I’d assume that you’d be able to travel unrecorded for some time. If you decide to suddenly settle somewhere else, that’s a different matter.

Brits who are resident in Italy can have a carta d'identita but it can only be used as an additional source of identity, not for travel abroad.

Hi @Bananagio. It's me, your A$$ End friend

Thanks for all the info everyone! @Bananagio - that's really useful. I have everything so far but will go back for the new document in January. Btw - citizenship wait is now 4 years, not 2 thanks to Salvini. I guess if you have a super speedy commune they might do it earlier but I wouldn't bank on it!

It's me, your A$$ End friend
Ha! I only know one Brit who is currently living in A$$ End (although it actually looks lovely on Google maps ) Hope you're all well. (From the gloomy city you visited )

@hollybutnoivy good luck. I was told by my commune (Rome) that the 4 years becomes 2 years if done on basis of marriage like mine but I am certainly not holding my breath....
@TheSilentStars hello to you and A$$ End 😍

@bananagio I don't think that's actually true. Mine was done through marriage over 2 years ago and I'm still waiting. Having said that, I've heard from a few people that Rome is one of the fastest places to process so you may be lucky!

@Hollybutnoivy

It's me, your A$$ End friend Ha! I only know one Brit who is currently living in A$$ End (although it actually looks lovely on Google maps ) Hope you're all well. (From the gloomy city you visited )

Haha. I wondered if I might know you as well. we need a masonic secret handshake.

Water under the bridge but it is extraordinary that there was no breach of article 1 of the European convention on human rights - the right to peaceful enjoyment of property - when the uk government removed the freedom of movement rights of British people already resident in the EU - especially without the right to participate in the vote itself. Clearly these people had a legitimate expectation that their property rights would not be interfered with by the British state. I don’t really understand how this was lawful.

My understanding is that a residence permit for a Schengen country is equivalent to a Schengen visa. The 90 days is only for visa-free travel; it doesn't apply to us, because we essentially already have a visa in our residence permits. (Can't look it up right now, but that was how I understood it when I looked into it a while ago - I wondered the same thing, because there are lots of borders near us, and plenty of people go shopping in Lille...)

I don’t really understand how this was lawful.
Me neither! A few people have asked me how I voted and when I tell them I didn't get a vote they are flabbergasted!

*OverTheRainbowLiesOz

Planning on driving a campervan around Europe. How will I be affected by these new rules? (none of which I bloody want & didn't vote for). Will one visa cover whole area? Or do you need to apply for each country?*

Did you get any answer to this? I thought you could apply for a Visa for up to 5 years if you wanted to travel around Europe like this. My brother is also planning doing this.

Re. the campervanning, one option would be to head over into Turkey for three months. It looks absolutely amazing and would definitely keep you entertained for the 90 days until you could re-enter.

I don't see why you need to do that if you can just apply for a Visa to travel around Europe.