The Silence is Deafening

[Crankley]

For the last however long, I have read threads and posts by Remainers stating confidently that the Prime Minister wanted a No Deal, would get a No Deal. Here are just a few quotes. Some Remainers may recognise their own predictions:

'He is going to give us No Deal and then fuck off into the sunset with millons in bungs from his crooked mates,'

'I'm pretty certain on no deal...'

'I fully expect a No Deal Brexit.'

'Bojo will 'deliver' no deal and then F off into the sunset'

'Boris Johnson and your disingenuous divs - How dare you try and spin a NoDeal'

'He was elected to not get a deal and to make his supporters feel good about the fact the had stuck it to the man (or something).'

There are lots more if you want them.

Now he has obtained a deal, where are all the threads by remainers? Do any have the the guts to hold up their hand up and say 'I was wrong'?

@Pukkatea

Oh no, remainers are so mean with their words on the Internet. That's just as bad as dividing the country, ruining the economy, setting UK science back decades and removing the rights of half of its citizens against their will. But the key issue is that remainers said mean things online, that is a complete equivalence.

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i liked that post too.

the people who are saying its a great deal are bewildering to me. we've lost so much, anyone can see that-

I think he was going for no deal and then chickened out because of all the stranded trucks

There was a poster on The Brexit threads who was always keen to offer humble pie. I hope they're enjoying a large slice themselves.

Merry Christmas Crankley

FFs op. If it had been different from how you thought it was going to be I am damn sure you wouldn't be on telling all and sundry that you were wrong. Stop being a dick for one day of the year at least

I also think that no deal was the plan but the situation in Dover thankfully put paid to that - Macron played a blinder. Boris had to make a massive concession on fishing yesterday to get the deal through. I’m very relieved we avoided no deal but still think we’ve lost way more than we’ve gained with this hard Brexit deal.

yes you are quite right i also want them to admit the 350 million number was true at the time and has been honored in 2015/16 nhs spending 137.3 billion in 2020/21 it will be 201.7 thats a difference of 64.7 billion pounds an increase of 47 percent and 64.4 billion which is or 1.2 billion a week more. thats the tangible benefit of brexit!

Boris is not a hero, he lacks the statesmanship of Churchill, whom he so admires

He doesn't even have the statesmanship of Theresa May.

So we’ve got what you voted for?

Our police can no longer access EU databases to check if they are pulling over international terrorists or murderers.

Our professional qualifications are no longer valid on the continent. Our services which account for 80% of our economy will have tariffs imposed upon them. British exports will for the first time in decades face checks on their origins and compliance with EU regs. This is not frictionless trade as promised and will reduce our international competitiveness.

Our children's dreams of being able to work in France, Spain, Italy or Germany have been shattered.

Erasmus, Euratom, Galileo, etc, etc. It’s all gone next week. I can’t quite believe we have enacted such self punishment voluntarily.

You said it was all project fear, and quite happy to believe that. You are still in denial to this day, that is why on the surface at least, it appears you don't care.

Anyhow. Well done and Happy Christmas.

No he certainly isn’t

I very much doubt he is going anywhere soon either ... he will still want to play the Brexit Colonel

I feel desperately sorry for the young and students who have been financially robbed by the old and are now having their freedoms and rights curtailed.

The generation that fought in the Second World War might be labelled the greatest ever, the generation after them are certainly the most selfish ever.

I'm certain that selfish i'm alright jack ,dog eat dog attitude was born under Thatcherism and has slowly become part of a British psyche for some.

I can forgive someone who voted Brexit in 2016 but those that are doubling down on it now. WTF!?

@Crumpetycrump

I also think that no deal was the plan but the situation in Dover thankfully put paid to that - Macron played a blinder. Boris had to make a massive concession on fishing yesterday to get the deal through. I’m very relieved we avoided no deal but still think we’ve lost way more than we’ve gained with this hard Brexit deal.

I was coming on to say this.

Boozo's backers were standing to make millions out of no deal, which was why I thought he was probably going to go that way. Then Macron pulled his master stroke (ably assisted by Boozo and his government giving them the perfect excuse) and gave the country a preview of what no deal could actually mean, so he bottled it.

He may have to go into hiding if his backers decide that they haven't made enough millions out of his corrupt procurement packages...

@sally067

So we’ve got what you voted for?

Our police can no longer access EU databases to check if they are pulling over international terrorists or murderers.

Our professional qualifications are no longer valid on the continent. Our services which account for 80% of our economy will have tariffs imposed upon them. British exports will for the first time in decades face checks on their origins and compliance with EU regs. This is not frictionless trade as promised and will reduce our international competitiveness.

Our children's dreams of being able to work in France, Spain, Italy or Germany have been shattered.

Erasmus, Euratom, Galileo, etc, etc. It’s all gone next week. I can’t quite believe we have enacted such self punishment voluntarily.

You said it was all project fear, and quite happy to believe that. You are still in denial to this day, that is why on the surface at least, it appears you don't care.

Anyhow. Well done and Happy Christmas.

Yes, I'm glad to have a deal but it is not a great deal. I also think Boris may have chickened out after seeing all those stranded trucks.

Happy Christmas OP, let's have instead of for a day, please.

Boris is not a hero, he lacks the statesmanship of Churchill, whom he so admires

He's a narcissist. He doesn't care about the future of the country or the people, just his ego. He has gaslit his followers for years and they still doff their cap to him as some sort of demigod.

This 'deal' is absolutely awful. I suspect privately the agreement was that Boris would agree to their terms if he was allowed to paint a public picture that he was getting something from the evil EU.

I still believe he was going for a no deal. I think the stranded trucks this week made that impossible and he caved.

I’m not going to praise him for a blinding bit of negotiation .

I haven't got my head around this. Our impression in this household is that it's a lot worse than staying in the EU but a lot better than leaving with no deal.

I'm not at all convinced that this was what most people voted for when they voted Brexit.

Boris himself said he would go for a no deal brexit. Do you include him in your ranting? What he has actually done, is chickened out at the last minute and settled for way less than either side wanted. The hardcore Brexiteers wanted a no deal. I’ve lost count of the number of “I never voted for a deal” posts I’ve seen on here and on SM. Those Brexiteers who wanted a deal, wanted one far better than this, taking us out of Europe but without fucking up the economy. Remainers just wanted to get out of this shit with as many protections as we could, to try and salvage something. This deal does none of those things.

I haven’t seen the detail about the Irish border yet, but they spent months arguing about fish instead of finding a proper solution to that. I hope this doesn’t come back to bite us in a way we’ve seen in the past.

But as a brexiteer OP, I wonder if you realise what this “deal” will do to MHRA. This organisation has worked side by side with the EMA in London, sharing expertise with the best in the business, from across the member states. The EMA has left London (taking 600 associated jobs with it) meaning all that expertise no longer feeds in to the MHRA. Imagine whether a far less experienced and less knowledgeable MHRA could have approved a Covid vaccine so quickly. I hope come the next global pandemic, we’re still able to have a world leading Regulatory Authority. In fact, even without a pandemic, losing that expertise could mean some trouble for the health of the nation over time. Shame nobody thought of that when they were just whinging about blue passports and fruit picking jobs going to U.K. workers.

View from the US is that the world is a very different place now from 2016 and that Brexit will isolate us from help that others will benefit from.
Also the deal doesn't really benefit anybody. Either the same or less.
Just don't be a Scottish seed potato farmer.

When the bloke claiming credit for this “deal” tells the nation that there’ll be no non-tariff barriers then you know he really has no fucking idea what he’s done.

The silence from OP since that first post is deafening.

Funny that...

I am a leaver and am very happy with this deal. I would have been happy with no deal.
We now have control of our borders and a good immigration system
Our fisherman and women can get more fish from our coastal waters and we have control of these waters once again.
We are a sovereign nation in control of our own laws and don't have to kowtow to the ECJ.
We can improve animal welfare.

baroque - quite. I popped back in, hoping for a response to my request for a link to the info on what we've gained.
Hope OP is busy enjoying Christmas.

Notice how OP lights the touch paper and then runs for the hills never to be seen again? What a horrible way to spend your Christmas, deliberately goading people into an argument on the internet, presumably for your entertainment as you don't want to participate. What a sad post...I hope for your sake that you find something more fulfilling offline to occupy you during the season of peace and goodwill, something which you clearly need to learn the meaning of.

I do suspect he would have gone for a No Deal had circumstances been better, complete with 'Resurgent Britain roars for freedom' bullshit rhetoric around it. I had been saying for at leasy a year he would do something like this and take any old deal at the last possible minute so he could be the 'hero' - like most Remainers I am of course happier for a deal that no deal as it avoids short term pain and difficulty. Nobody is going 'Grr, I'm so angry I was wrong, I wish had No Deal so I could be right!' because we're not actually as dogmatic as OP seems to think and we don't want the world to burn to prove us correct.

The middle to longer term remains to be seen - I am not a catastrophist, this isn't the end of everything, of course people can still go on holiday, of course people will still be able to work and study in the EU, but the latter two will, ironically, now involve more inconvenience, expense and, yes, red tape than previously.