The Silence is Deafening

[Crankley]

For the last however long, I have read threads and posts by Remainers stating confidently that the Prime Minister wanted a No Deal, would get a No Deal. Here are just a few quotes. Some Remainers may recognise their own predictions:

'He is going to give us No Deal and then fuck off into the sunset with millons in bungs from his crooked mates,'

'I'm pretty certain on no deal...'

'I fully expect a No Deal Brexit.'

'Bojo will 'deliver' no deal and then F off into the sunset'

'Boris Johnson and your disingenuous divs - How dare you try and spin a NoDeal'

'He was elected to not get a deal and to make his supporters feel good about the fact the had stuck it to the man (or something).'

There are lots more if you want them.

Now he has obtained a deal, where are all the threads by remainers? Do any have the the guts to hold up their hand up and say 'I was wrong'?

akerman

No she isn't. She did French a level. Original plan was to work in France this year on her gap year and that was impossible because of covid followed by brexit. Plan was to go before Christmas before leaving because then she wouldn't be eligible. Then degree with erasmus.

To be honest whereas people could easily move around for work this just makes it more likely that you'd people will permanently emigrate.

Ah, poor girl. It’s so hard for them.

Yes, young people will emigrate, I fear. We are so, so lucky that my children born in Ireland, so have EU passports. I’ve told them to look at emigrating. They will have much better opportunities elsewhere, until we regain our collective wits.

That's what mine are thinking. It's what my older brother did in the 70s.

I'm eligible for an Irish passport but unfortunately my kids aren't.

I don't post to be popular
No, you post because because you think you are right all the time, except once.

And no bad joke ever got funnier by repeating.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

I don't post to be popular No, you post because because you think you are right all the time, except once.

And no bad joke ever got funnier by repeating.

I post to piss you off. Chips.

I think you are pissing yourself off there, and I’m sure you are laughing at your own jokes.
I don’t have any chips, but it seems you have vinegar to spare.

Enjoy!

Posted on here wondering how people knew he did

Just a reminder that it was his sister who said last year that he wasn't aiming for a deal. On tv. Because there was too much money behind no deal. Then laughed nervously and said she probably wouldn't be invited to chequers for Christmas. Plus the ink on the trade deal is not signed yet. Come back to be indignant once the deal has been signed into law.

I'm a remainer but when it seemed inevitable that we would have to leave, I hoped there would be a deal. Now it seems there is I am glad.

Poor Crankly. Imagine rushing in here on Christmas morning to diss Remaniacs. Just caught up because l have a life to live, but am a bit squiffy. But hee, hee the Chardonnay quine...

We've been silenced by having to have got used to accepting shite

Well it's quite important to maintain a resistance to the denigration of the UK, so that when the fall out develops and the next generation consider applying to rejoin, there is a substantial history of thought and practice to build on, rather than reinvention of the struggle.

Such things may well be boosted by Irish Reunification and Scottish independence.

(sorry Wales, you may be stuck with little england)

It is a relief there’s some sort of a deal. As for what I think of the actual deal, it’ll be significantly worse than EU membership, our economy will be significantly smaller in 5 years time than it would have been. That was inevitable.

When it comes to deafening silence - can I ask you op - other than “sovereignty” what are the tangible benefits of leaving, again? Because since 2016 not a single person has been able to answer that question.

Oh - and just wait until the customs union comes to an end. You won’t like it. Lots of admin charges.

@tribpot

No, EHIC is not applicable from 1 Jan 2021 for most citizens, details here: www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-residents-visiting-the-eueea-and-switzerland-healthcare

We will need the same level of travel insurance as we previously needed for non-EU travel.

That link was dated before the deal was announced.

BBC is reporting that EHIC will be valid until its expiry date, where it will then be replaced with a GHIC... a Global health ins card.

Lets see? as it will be a few months until any of us get to go abroad for hols.

Agreed @jasjas1973 although it's worth noting it's not currently possible to apply for an EHIC card so if you don't already have one, you may not be getting one before the deadline.

The silence of journalists challenging the government over Johnson's promise to Parliament that Erasmus membership was protected is also deafening.
Erasmus helped kids from underprivileged backgrounds get a leg up in their career development. I know at least 5 people personally who benefited in this way. Here's a link to him doing his usual scoff-wank at the despatch box at the suggestion that Erasmus membership was at risk.

twitter.com/peterstefanovi2/status/1342535317136486406?s=21

I am a remainder and am now sitting back looking forward to all the moaning from the thick Brexiteers who now have to pay for health insurance for their a Spanish holidays and who voted Brexit to keep out all the foreign workers who simultaneously took all our jobs but lived on benefits, and now can’t find a plumber.

@Theworldisfullofgs

By the way we are now stuck negotiating for ever and ever and ever because that is how the deal is structured.

Agreed. I'm relieved there's a deal - Macron played a blinder in the final days showing us what no deal might look like- but the deal was always going to be shit. (I don't know any remainer who wanted a no deal- what an odd suggestion )

Even if challenged, Bojo would just waffle and say his new Turing Scheme is "world beating" and far better than Erasmus+

The fact it doesn't exist nor has funding been allocated would be brushed away.

Why not keep E+ and run both side by side until Turing up and running?

Personally, i'd like to see Bojo explain exactly how we have taken back control of our waters and reinvigorated our fishing communities?

I’m so sorry I have a life off the internet op.

I expect it’s already been said, but if before starting this thread you’d bothered to look at one of the others commenting on Brexit, or perhaps one of the media sources whose job is to comment on it, then you’d have the answer.

As a remainer I was initially very pleased to have all the to’ing and fro-ing finally sorted, and our food supplies secured. It would have been criminally negligent not to do that imo. However on a brief inspection it becomes obvious that that is all this deal purports to do, and it isn’t even particularly strong in that. There’s nothing about services, nothing about data transfer, employment rights have not been safeguarded. It really looks as if Johnson was going all out for no-deal, but between the American elections not turning his way and the EU not caving in to UK demands, he began to realise something was going to have to happen. Possibly that caused the earlier bust up with Cummings. Finally the actions France, Ureland and other countries took over the new coronavirus variant may have been a factor in recognising that Britain’s noble lone isolation is not practically possible. Hope that wasn’t too complicated for you. I am , or was, one of the remainers more sympathetic to those just on the other side of the line, but your kind of threads give Brexiteers the bad name they enjoy.

Just to be clear, I never wanted no deal, but I was convinced BJ did. What we now have is a deal, of sorts. Time will tell how good, or not, it is for the UK.

Moving on. Or rather, not moving: my EHIC card expires in April 2021. The site doesn't allow renewals. The chances of my being able to go abroad before it expires are hovering around zero.

(I'd be happy to be wrong about that too.)

I'm not sure that the silence is deafening.

But there is a distinct feeling in our family (who had opposing views) that we can at least now make decisions for ourselves. And that's positive.

Yes there will be extra costs of taking one action or another, There are loads of areas still to negotiate, but at least things will get discussed now and we can CHOOSE to agree with the EU if we wish, rather than be compelled and have all that resentment which has been going on between various family members since I was a child.

It's a relief, Like the end of a 40 year row.

Or rather, not moving: my EHIC card expires in April 2021.

If you are a standard UK citizen I am pretty certain that EHIC card is invalid from 1st Jan anyway.

Ireland, sorry. I have also wondered whether the large number of small-scale local schemes dedicated to feeding children played a part. It’s the last and reddest of red lines - a state that cannot feed its people has failed. I would, and have, argued that that is just the last definition, and that one of the self-proclaimed richest countries in the world ought to be aiming rather higher.

*have all that resentment which has been going on between various family members since I was a child.

It's a relief, Like the end of a 40 year row.*

Us 'remainers' have a life you know. Have you forgotten what time of year it is?
The deal that has been struck is rubbish but it's better than nothing.
We still lost:
Free movement
Frictionless trade
Erasmus
Access to Galileo systems (that we helped set up btw)
Access to single energy market
Removal of roaming charges
Recognition of qualifications across EU states: a German NHS doctor had reportedly already got some contact that his qualifications are not recognised here.
Pet passports
And so on

What the fk have we gained? Fck all is what.