The Silence is Deafening

[Crankley]

For the last however long, I have read threads and posts by Remainers stating confidently that the Prime Minister wanted a No Deal, would get a No Deal. Here are just a few quotes. Some Remainers may recognise their own predictions:

'He is going to give us No Deal and then fuck off into the sunset with millons in bungs from his crooked mates,'

'I'm pretty certain on no deal...'

'I fully expect a No Deal Brexit.'

'Bojo will 'deliver' no deal and then F off into the sunset'

'Boris Johnson and your disingenuous divs - How dare you try and spin a NoDeal'

'He was elected to not get a deal and to make his supporters feel good about the fact the had stuck it to the man (or something).'

There are lots more if you want them.

Now he has obtained a deal, where are all the threads by remainers? Do any have the the guts to hold up their hand up and say 'I was wrong'?

HannibalHayes I have also read the whole article and found that the participants were actually asked if they were 'Worried about immigration' to which 73% said yes. Being worried about immigration is an entirely different thing to being against immigration. Some could have been worried because friends or family were not able to come here from non EU countries or they might have been worried re the Windrush scandal neither of which doesn't make them racists. I'd suggest your bias and that of the Independent as skewed you view of it and the way the Independent titled the article was inaccurate.

@HannibalHayes

You really need to stop banging this "I'm not racist" drum.

OK, you didn't vote leave for racist reasons, but rather more people did. And you've helped their campaign. Not yours.

Own your shit.

You don't really buy this spurious justification for anti-immigrant vote?

Personally I find the hypocrisy and special pleading more offensive than straight xenophobia.

@Ajl46 Apparently services will be fine because Google are building a tech campus in London. The fact they are registered as a European company in Ireland is of no consequence, I'm sure they'll be happy to pay the tariffs for using British companies to do their advertising, marketing and tech outsourcing.

Also no need to worry about financial services because we did a trade deal with Japan which includes financial services. Only problem is that Japan is 9 hours ahead so anyone wishing to get a job which involves their finance industry will have to work from midnight until 9am.

As for professional qualifications, we're British, we're exceptional, just having British nationality should be enough to convince a French or German firm to use a British architect or accountant.

@Clavinova

which he said offered a more accurate insight.

Sounds like nonsense to me;

“We didn’t ask people directly why they voted the way they voted, because people aren’t the best guides to how they voted,” he said."

Damn right. You can't expect people to admit they're arseholes.

They'll say: "I'm not xenophobic I just don't want any more E. Europeans or non medics."

It’s not a great deal for fishermen - they are upset.

Very upset:

"The Irish Fishermen's Organisation say the Brexit agreement concluded today has "failed" Irish fishermen."

"Make no mistake - we will be seeking compensation from our EU colleagues to put right this grievous wrong."

"Taoiseach Micheál Martin has admitted some ground was given when it came it fishing."

www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40196673.html

"Germany Laments ‘Painful Cuts’ for Fishing Sector in Brexit Deal."

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-25/germany-laments-painful-cuts-for-fishing-sector-in-brexit-deal

"The price of the Brexit deal is catastrophically high for Danish Fishing."

thefishingdaily.com/latest-news/the-price-of-the-brexit-deal-is-catastrophically-high-for-danish-fishing/

"EU Fishers are paying a high price for a Brexit agreement."
"this is a dark day for the European fishing industry"

fisheriesalliance.eu/eu-fishers-are-paying-a-high-price-for-a-brexit-agreement-the-present-deal-is-a-significant-blow-and-leaves-them-facing-an-uncertain-future/

Points based immigration system that's open to all, what's not fair about that? I can't see why people are tying themselves up in knots about it.

Really Corcory? In this kind of survey, if they said they were 'Worried about immigration', you honestly think that they just think that there should be more immigration from Africa?

I call bullshit.

Well obviously it makes no difference what I say, apparently because I have continued to try and explain I'm a hypocrite and am more offensive than a straight xenophobe! I'm not allowed to be a non racist and a leave voter and make a reasoned argument as to why I vote leave without this F... ing racist charge being thrown at me again and again and again.
Apparently I'm not allowed a view because I now live in a village! and that I have to 'Own my shit'!
How many people have asked over the years why leave voters don't come on here to give their views, well there you have it, in a nut shell being called all the above sums it up really.

I keep saying, I don't think you are a racist. I do think you are stupid enough to have helped enable the racists though. And as a result I don't have the slightest sense of respect for you...

And the next time CutnPasteOva posts something from the Torygraph pretending it's an entirely unbiased source, let's remember this bit of blatantly falsified obsequiousness...

The fact that fishermen in the EU are upset does not preclude fishermen in the U.K. being upset. It’s being widely reported that they feel betrayed.

We had freedom of movement that has been lost. People have lost their right to move to Europe. I used to hope to retire to France, now I can’t. A referendum in which a quarter of the population can strip the other three quarters of rights which were very precious to millions is never going to end well.

The fishermen in the EU have every right to feel betrayed. Our fishermen sold them their rights to fish in UK waters in perpetuity. Having even a percentage of that removed from them should be, frankly, against international law.

Strangely enough, the Daily Heil doesn't see it that way...

Corcory

The building trade isn't all the uk economy but from my friends who are in trades, EU migration hasn't hit them hard at all, in fact once your Polish plumber realises he can demand 40k, thats what he goes and gets pushing wages up.
In the self employed building sector, so much is done cash in hand by both EU and UK workers its a non issue (or do i just know the tax dodgers?)

My point still stands though, wages haven't increased for other reasons than migration but if you think an east european will work for low wages, how much lower do you think a worker from a developing country will be content with?

I think that what a lot of Remainers don't realise is that the EU is a political project. The single market and freedom of movement are just means to an end, to control Germany. That was also the reason for the Euro being created, after Germany reunified and tipped the gravity of the EU.

My point still stands though, wages haven't increased for other reasons than migration but if you think an east european will work for low wages, how much lower do you think a worker from a developing country will be content with?

Quite. This is the absurdity of the position. Don’t want Polish plumbers as they will undercut British plumbers, but do want Indian and African plumbers who could charge even less. Makes no sense at all.

@akerman

We had freedom of movement that has been lost. People have lost their right to move to Europe. I used to hope to retire to France, now I can’t. A referendum in which a quarter of the population can strip the other three quarters of rights which were very precious to millions is never going to end well.

Or end quietly.

For anyone who thinks the deal is the end of Brexit. This is simply the beginning of a decade of bitter division and more and more intense arguments as people lose jobs, business, and their future.

And talking of the Euro, wow what a fuss there was at the time from the CBI etc etc that we MUST join the Euro, that UK business would be decimated if we didn't, that our economy would suffer as the EU's thrived, that it would be a disaster for us not to be in the EU club.

Hmm, where have I heard all that before...

I don’t think Margaret Thatcher thought up the single market to control Germany.

The fishermen in the EU have every right to feel betrayed. Our fishermen sold them their rights to fish in UK waters in perpetuity. Having even a percentage of that removed from them should be, frankly, against international law. I don't understand why this isn't talked about more. You can't sell something and then years later just take it back.

The book depository has stopped shipping to countries beyond the uk and Ireland.

Am so pissed off.

I think that what a lot of Remainers don't realise is that the EU is a political project.

I think many Remainers are well aware, and have consistently pointed out what was published at the time of Ted Heath.

I think that what a lot of Remainers don't realise is that the EU is a political project.

Yer what?

Yes, it was to stop war from erupting over this continent ever again. Europe was all but destroyed at the end of WW2. Never again. Certainly not for bloody Johnson.

I think the founding fathers of the EEC were very brave to even suggest the project, but they realised that after the horrors of war, they had to find a better way.

Much, much better than Johnson's jingoistic claptrap.