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The Silence is Deafening

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Crankley · 25/12/2020 12:20

For the last however long, I have read threads and posts by Remainers stating confidently that the Prime Minister wanted a No Deal, would get a No Deal. Here are just a few quotes. Some Remainers may recognise their own predictions:

'He is going to give us No Deal and then fuck off into the sunset with millons in bungs from his crooked mates,'

'I'm pretty certain on no deal...'

'I fully expect a No Deal Brexit.'

'Bojo will 'deliver' no deal and then F off into the sunset'

'Boris Johnson and your disingenuous divs - How dare you try and spin a NoDeal'

'He was elected to not get a deal and to make his supporters feel good about the fact the had stuck it to the man (or something).'

There are lots more if you want them.

Now he has obtained a deal, where are all the threads by remainers? Do any have the the guts to hold up their hand up and say 'I was wrong'?

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MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes · 28/12/2020 23:37

I'd be interested in knowing what the vote split was among people interested in history. Even Osborne was against Brexit, and his versions of history do not seem to match mine. Impossible of course.

HannibalHayes · 29/12/2020 01:08

Honestly? You think the average Brexshitier can think beyond the past five minutes?

LurkingLeaver · 29/12/2020 07:25

Why so angry, Hannibal?

Stilltalkstotrees · 29/12/2020 08:21

@LurkingLeaver

Why so angry, Hannibal?
Might he because you lot have diminished our country.
Stilltalkstotrees · 29/12/2020 08:22

*be

LurkingLeaver · 29/12/2020 08:33

* Might he because you lot have diminished our country.
In your opinion, not mine.

Helmetbymidnight · 29/12/2020 08:57

youve screwed us all over- and gained nothing. you must be so disappointed by the deal.

Peregrina · 29/12/2020 09:07

youve screwed us all over- and gained nothing. you must be so disappointed by the deal.

This is, of course, all the EU's fault. This is nothing to do with how the UK side felt that the best preparation for serious negotiations was to go into a meeting with no paperwork whatever, when that pesky Frenchman had whole leaver arch files in front of him.

LurkingLeaver · 29/12/2020 09:28

We have left a club, by democratic agreement. If you feel any of the 'benefits' we have decided to stop paying for, you still want; you can pay for them.

DrBlackbird · 29/12/2020 09:31

Points based immigration system that's open to all, what's not fair about that? I can't see why people are tying themselves up in knots about it.

Coming from a country that uses one, it certainly is effective at reducing immigration. Even from the UK. The cost and bureaucracy is an immense barrier. So it is not 'fair' or 'open to all' unless you think it's fair that folk with a lot of money are the ones who get to become citizens. Neither is the system very flexible in being quickly responsive to labour market needs.

Perhaps some posters voted Leave to be freed from all the EU red tape that's going well. But the woman that I spoke to the day after the Referendum was not an outlier.

She was an older woman and my DD asked (it was very early days) how she voted. The woman glanced over at the playground that was mostly being occupied by young British Asian families and said I voted to Leave because it's not like when I was growing up any more, too many immigrants.

Whether posters think they're anti-immigrant or not (and this I think is not necessarily racism), a key plank of the Leave campaign was indisputably to stop or slow immigration. This was, in a way understandably, a powerful nostalgic appeal to older votes. But I was suprised to find out how young Louise is. Totally pictured her as being in her 60''s lol

Peregrina · 29/12/2020 09:37

Whether posters think they're anti-immigrant or not (and this I think is not necessarily racism)

No, not necessarily. There are an awful lot of small towns and villages where someone new is an 'offcomer' or similar term and will be for the next 30 years or so. This is even if they came from a place 50 miles away,

DrBlackbird · 29/12/2020 09:46

Yes Peregrina that's true. It has a lot to do with 'others' bringing / being 'different' and that can be uncomfortable, as well as interesting and positive.

HoldingTight · 29/12/2020 10:34

If you feel any of the 'benefits' we have decided to stop paying for, you still want; you can pay for them.

If only Sad

Peregrina · 29/12/2020 10:36

I would happily pay for an EU passport if the possibility was open to me., I can't afford to stump up for a Maltese passport. Nor can I rustle up an Irish grandparent - pity.

HannibalHayes · 29/12/2020 10:39

Oh yes, the othering was a big part of the Leave campaign.

Being called a "Metropolitan Elite" by politicians who went to Eton, City traders, and billionaire newspaper owners was quite breathtakingly ironic...

Clavinova · 29/12/2020 10:45

Why so angry, Hannibal?

According to the latest social attitudes survey published in the Independent today she probably ate too many Brussels sprouts on Christmas Day;

The research, through a survey of nearly 3,000 people, states suggestions by politicians and others that the Brexit vote represented a lightning rod for a general disenchantment with politics were “widely off the mark”. Instead, researchers found a correlation between preferred Christmas Day vegetables and the way people voted.

Nearly three-quarters (74 per cent) of people who indicated that roast potatoes were their preferred vegetable for Christmas Day lunch voted to leave the European Union in 2016, whereas 92% of people who indicated Brussels sprouts as their preference voted to remain.

Moreover, researchers found a direct correlation with portion size of Brussels sprouts and general confidence in the UK post Brexit. Survey respondents who had eaten the largest portion of the bitter tasting vegetable were the most pessimistic, whereas respondents who had substituted Brussels sprouts with an extra roast potato had the most positive outlook for the future.

Survey respondents who had indicated that parsnips were their preferred Christmas Day vegetable were neither optimistic nor pessimistic about the future, with two-thirds (66%) not having bothered to vote in the 2016 referendum at all.

The lead researcher added that the survey didn’t question people directly on why they voted the way they did in the referendum, but rather assessed the correlations, which he said offered a more accurate insight.

Move over John Curtice.

HannibalHayes · 29/12/2020 10:49

And you're criticising my links?

Clavinova · 29/12/2020 10:56

And you're criticising my links?

There isn't a link. Wink

DrBlackbird · 29/12/2020 11:01

I think many people voted Leave without really being aware of exactly why. For example, a friend told me it was a protest vote, but couldn't tell me what he was protesting.

Granted, many people may well have voted Remain without being precisely sure of why. In my circle of friends, it was predominantly the DH's who voted Leave and the DW's who voted Remain (not statistically representative I know).

We do know, however, that that the Daily Fail loved a story about ridiculous EU regulations (bananas and kilts) on the one hand. We also know that the Leave campaign deliberately and consciously built its campaign around immigration / FOM fears on the other. Both of these strands fed into a powerfully emotionally, but utterly erroneous, appeal to 'take back control'. Leaving us where we are today. Leaving...

And btw, it is not 'ridiculous' but absolutely standard in the social sciences to ask a series of questions around a topic in attitude surveys rather than directly on a topic in order to avoid a social desirability bias.

LurkingLeaver · 29/12/2020 11:08

The government may have had the option to do things that the leave vote also offered, but they didn't. That's the point.
Now, we can actually use our votes to remove, appoint, threaten the powers that be, instead of having them shrug and claim to be powerless.
We have now given them power with no strings, and as such we can control them, with our votes.

HannibalHayes · 29/12/2020 11:12

"The government may have had the option to do things that the leave vote also offered, but they didn't. That's the point.
Now, we can actually use our votes to remove, appoint, threaten the powers that be, instead of having them shrug and claim to be powerless.
We have now given them power with no strings, and as such we can control them, with our votes."

This is so delusional, it's hard to know where to start!

LurkingLeaver · 29/12/2020 11:15

Do try, Hannibal. How is my vote less powerful now, than under EU rule?

AuldAlliance · 29/12/2020 11:16

We have now given them power with no strings, and as such we can control them, with our votes.
FPTP is as good a place as any to start deconstructing this.

LurkingLeaver · 29/12/2020 11:18

We had a vote on FPTP lol.

HannibalHayes · 29/12/2020 11:21

And I suspect you voted to give these lying charlatans unlimited power to spend public money on their mates.