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The Silence is Deafening

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Crankley · 25/12/2020 12:20

For the last however long, I have read threads and posts by Remainers stating confidently that the Prime Minister wanted a No Deal, would get a No Deal. Here are just a few quotes. Some Remainers may recognise their own predictions:

'He is going to give us No Deal and then fuck off into the sunset with millons in bungs from his crooked mates,'

'I'm pretty certain on no deal...'

'I fully expect a No Deal Brexit.'

'Bojo will 'deliver' no deal and then F off into the sunset'

'Boris Johnson and your disingenuous divs - How dare you try and spin a NoDeal'

'He was elected to not get a deal and to make his supporters feel good about the fact the had stuck it to the man (or something).'

There are lots more if you want them.

Now he has obtained a deal, where are all the threads by remainers? Do any have the the guts to hold up their hand up and say 'I was wrong'?

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Dongdingdong · 26/12/2020 23:09

There are certainly wins in the deal - but fishing isn't one of them

Sorry, I’m not clear how fishing isn’t one of them Confused

“By June 2026, it's estimated that UK boats will have access to an extra £145m of fishing quota every year.”

www.bbc.co.uk/news/46401558

Sounds like a win to me!

HannibalHayes · 26/12/2020 23:13

@HeyHeyImABeLeaver

No, but maybe you could have engaged the few braincells you have left and stop reading the Daily Heil and actually think for yourself

I can imagine when that oh so clever two liner popped into your head it gave you a warm and fuzzy feeling of intellectual superiority, am I right? Unfortunately, actually written down it makes you look anything but. Some things are best left in one's mind.

No, merely justified contempt for the fatally idiotic...
HannibalHayes · 26/12/2020 23:15

@Dongdingdong

There are certainly wins in the deal - but fishing isn't one of them

Sorry, I’m not clear how fishing isn’t one of them Confused

“By June 2026, it's estimated that UK boats will have access to an extra £145m of fishing quota every year.”

www.bbc.co.uk/news/46401558

Sounds like a win to me!

If they can get the boats, and the quotas. If they can find the fish, and the markets.

Sounds like a win to me!

Maybe you should engage your brain then?

HeyHeyImABeLeaver · 26/12/2020 23:20

Or, an incorrect assumption by the fatally bitter.....

Dongdingdong · 26/12/2020 23:21

If they can get the boats, and the quotas. If they can find the fish, and the markets.

“If they can find the fish” - sorry, what? Grin Sounds like you’re the one who should engage your brain. I feel sorry for you - it must be miserable being such a pessimist. Are you one of the posters quoted in the OP by any chance? It wouldn’t surprise me!

Dongdingdong · 26/12/2020 23:34

In 10 years the only age group in which Leave has a majority - the 60 pluses will be depleted - dead and in care homes.

And another Remainer shows their true colours...

Peregrina · 26/12/2020 23:35

I do wonder if there is going to be a rush to buy those boats back. The ones willingly sold along with their quotas.

We shall see - the only prediction I am making is that I suspect not.

However spokesmen for the fishing industry have already said that they think Johnson sold them out. (No surprise there - look at the way the man has lied and cheated through life.)

HannibalHayes · 26/12/2020 23:51

Oh dear. Some Borisites really don't like to have to work things out.

akerman · 27/12/2020 00:26

Seems that the fishermen are pissed off with the deal

The Silence is Deafening
Changechangychange · 27/12/2020 02:04

@akerman

Seems that the fishermen are pissed off with the deal
Must be Remainers 🤷‍♀️
akerman · 27/12/2020 03:54

Except we know that the fishing industry voted overwhelmingly to leave, so that seems unlikely.

Changechangychange · 27/12/2020 06:20

It was a joke.

bornatXmastobequiet · 27/12/2020 06:52

If they can find the fish” - sorry, what?

This article from Fishing News suggests that fish stocks (and stocks of cetaceans, such as whales and dolphins) are more likely to fall below a sustainable level under a unilateral (UK determined) approach than under the status quo. The Common Fisheries Policy has many flaws but does use proper scientific advice to help preserve fish stocks. Many in the British fishing industry, and many in the Conservative party, mistrust this advice, prefer a laissez-faire approach, and believe stocks will magically renew themselves, despite overfishing.

thefishingdaily.com/latest-news/what-will-happen-to-fish-stocks-in-the-north-sea-post-brexit/

Perhaps the gradualism and limited nature of the current “deal”, if implemented, will cushion any untoward effects.

jasjas1973 · 27/12/2020 08:34

“By June 2026, it's estimated that UK boats will have access to an extra £145m of fishing quota every year.”

www.bbc.co.uk/news/46401558

Sounds like a win to me

I really do not get this, 5% extra quota per year is pathetic! and in 2026 there is nothing to suggest it will increase.

However, unless there are robust conservation measures agreed with our EU counterparts i.e reduction in fishing - then all the quota in the world will not change the fact there is not enough fish in the seas.

yellowspanner · 27/12/2020 10:01

The silence is far from deafening.
Many of us have been celebrating. I am sure there would have been parties had it not been for Covid.
There really are some nasty, bitter people on here who just want to talk the UK down. Some of you clearly despise the UK and hate to see it successful.
I am not nasty about remain voters but the vitriol towards leave voters is disturbing. Why must you call people such nasty names. Can't we just disagree in a civilised way.

WitchFindersAreEverywhere · 27/12/2020 10:03

But the EU will not want to take us back while there the country is still divided by this nationalist hard right element. It will take a long time to defeat that comprehensively

They are co-existing with some very hardline attitudes, in Hungary and Poland for example.

MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes · 27/12/2020 10:09

You are the very people who prevented ‘disagreement in a civil way’! I can’t believe there’s still propaganda circulating about how all remainers should have just shut up and ‘consented’. Consented to what??
Do look at the fishing agreement. What was eventually settled on after 4 years of haggling was an increase in percentages. That is how negotiations and civil disagreements work! That is how the vote should have worked. A 48-52 split, on the basis of inadequate information and demonstrated lies, was never good democratic grounds for the hard Brexits we’ve now been landed with. Soft Brexit, yes, although god knows what would have been the point. But all we’ve heard ever since is ‘you lost so shut up’. Don’t start lecturing on civil disagreements now when you haven’t the faintest idea how haggling works, and also haven’t the faintest intention of ever trying to understand the consequences of the mess you’ve all landed us in over time!

TatianaBis · 27/12/2020 10:11

If Leave voters fuck up the country, cause job losses and remove rights from people who prize them, those people are likely to get pissed off. It’s not a very civilised thing to do.

The criticism will get worse rather than better so you’d better get used it.

MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes · 27/12/2020 10:13

The most frustrating thing about this is that consequences will never be recognised because they will emerge over time, with delayed effects. Most will never join up the dots and it suits Johnson and his ilk very well to keep ensuring that continues. This unholy marriage of media and demagogic politics is horrendous.

bellinisurge · 27/12/2020 10:13

"but the vitriol towards leave voters is disturbing. "

Where were you when I was called a rat that needed disinfectant to clean her away. By those lovely friends of yours in the Arms after I had been trying very hard to build bridges?

I will not join you in building our future together or whatever tedious shit you lot or coming out with. I'll pay my taxes as usual. That's it.

HighHeelBoots · 27/12/2020 10:17

Taken back control Xmas Grin, yeah right. France holds the power. We need imports
I'm happy that the fishermen are pissed off. Not nice I know but leavers were happy to screw over the whole country

HeyHeyImABeLeaver · 27/12/2020 10:30

Where were you when I was called a rat that needed disinfectant to clean her away. By those lovely friends of yours in the Arms after I had been trying very hard to build bridges?

You keep citing this and I usually let it go but, that comment made to you didn’t randomly come out of nowhere, (not justifying it) there was a lead up to that and bridge building may have been how you saw it but it was not how you came across.

Where were you when I was told that I was the type of person that would spit in the face of a Muslim child.

A lot of nasty and toxic things have been said over the last four years but you have to move on.

sashagabadon · 27/12/2020 10:37

It would be great to see some protected areas around the U.K. coastline where no fishing is even allowed, or just line fishing, no dredgers. Allow those areas to recover and increase the fishing stocks and conserve the sea beds into the future once 2026 comes.

MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes · 27/12/2020 10:45

Protected marine areas were just getting started.

news.sky.com/story/plymouth-set-to-be-the-home-of-uks-first-national-marine-park-11808533

s with all environmental protections it remains to be seen how much they mean in practice now. We have seen Tories attempt to sell off our forests before.

We really need some kind of concept of public domain ownership (again), with watertight protections in law - if government wants to sell them off they need an agreement from the public in a proper referendum, on 70% turnout and 70% agreement, with full information given. In Tory Britannia I’m not holding my breath.

wincarwoo · 27/12/2020 10:51

@yellowspanner

The silence is far from deafening. Many of us have been celebrating. I am sure there would have been parties had it not been for Covid. There really are some nasty, bitter people on here who just want to talk the UK down. Some of you clearly despise the UK and hate to see it successful. I am not nasty about remain voters but the vitriol towards leave voters is disturbing. Why must you call people such nasty names. Can't we just disagree in a civilised way.
Have you read Johnson in the Telegraph? There will be job losses to add to the thousands already. What plans have you to create jobs?

You're just spouting empty cliches.