The Silence is Deafening

[Crankley]

For the last however long, I have read threads and posts by Remainers stating confidently that the Prime Minister wanted a No Deal, would get a No Deal. Here are just a few quotes. Some Remainers may recognise their own predictions:

'He is going to give us No Deal and then fuck off into the sunset with millons in bungs from his crooked mates,'

'I'm pretty certain on no deal...'

'I fully expect a No Deal Brexit.'

'Bojo will 'deliver' no deal and then F off into the sunset'

'Boris Johnson and your disingenuous divs - How dare you try and spin a NoDeal'

'He was elected to not get a deal and to make his supporters feel good about the fact the had stuck it to the man (or something).'

There are lots more if you want them.

Now he has obtained a deal, where are all the threads by remainers? Do any have the the guts to hold up their hand up and say 'I was wrong'?

My DH has been made redundant from a bank as they are moving most of their operations out of the UK. He's a IT bod, so was paid an average salary. I don't think people realise what a massive blow losing passporting rights is going to be to our economy

Sorry to hear about your husband :( I know so many people in the same boat, people from all sectors - accounts, HR, marketing, IT, etc. Passporting doesn't just mean a few bankers disappear. Entire departments and companies will move abroad.

In the mind of many Brexiters, the financial service sector and London in general need to be torn down so the rest of the country can finally have a chance to thrive. 'Levelling up' (or down depending on your point of view).

If we get headlines of 500k+ city workers laid off by next summer I suspect many across the UK will quietly celebrate it.

The dismantling of the UKs primary business will be catastrophic though.

Most of us will know that the majority of city workers don’t earn the kind of money that gets in the headlines, and while salaries in the city overall are probably higher than the national average, city workers generally work long hours too. The rest of the country (thanks mainly to the media) seem to hate the city, but don’t realise what a huge contribution to the economy it makes. I’m sure I read some time ago that the city contributes almost 25% of the total tax income for the government. The financing it provides to businesses is vital in keeping people in work all over the country.

The levelling up will just see less investment across the country as the money just won't be there. People don't realise that when a chancellor gives the budget it is mostly based on GDP, a 5-8% drop which is what is what the OBR have predicted will mean 200+ billion less in the economy.

Seem to remember your pal Nige saying that if it was 52/48 for Remain, it wouldn't be over. Just following your boy's orders, @HeyHeyImABeLeaver .

Or is opposition only undemocratic when people disagree with you.

I don't think that counts as "levelling up". Levelling down is rather more this governments modus operandum.

What does someone like me have to look forward to? I studied Business Studies at uni and managed to get a job at a tech company in London...
Google, Facebook, etc are based in Ireland so it's just easier to deal with EU based companies for them.

30 September 2020 -

"Google is signing up for more office space next to its upcoming $1.2 billion headquarters in London, The Times reported."
"The tech giant is also extending a lease of a 160,000 square foot office building in the city that was due to expire in 2021."
"The move shows a commitment to both London and to the future of office work."

www.businessinsider.com/google-commits-to-office-work-with-london-expansion-report-2020-9?r=US&IR=T

7 September -

^"Google has pulled out of plans to rent additional office space for up to 2,000 people in Dublin..."*

"The company was close to taking 202,000 sq ft (18,766sq m) of space at the Sorting Office building close the quays to add to its stable of properties in the capital where it employs over 8,000 people."

"It emerged on Monday evening that the move would not proceed."

www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/google-s-withdrawal-from-dublin-office-deal-cast-doubts-on-sector-1.4348998

"Barrie Deas, the chief executive of the National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations (NFFO), said the deal had secured just “a fraction of what the UK has a right to under international law”, arguing that fishing had been “sacrificed for other national objectives”.

“Lacking legal, moral, or political negotiating leverage on fish, the EU made the whole trade deal contingent on a UK surrender on fisheries,” he said. “In the endgame, the prime minister made the call and caved in on fish”

It really bemuses me that landlocked Mumsnet Brexiters are (a) so obsessed about fish and (b) so desperately keen to believe that the fat slob in number 10 dished up something better than a red herring.

There are certainly wins in the deal - but fishing isn't one of them, because Johnson sacrificed any last minute negotiating leverage with his ridiculous mutant virus press conference.

I’m a die hard remainer but it isn’t because I feared a no deal Brexit.

@HeyHeyImABeLeaver

It will take a long time for the U.K. to regain trust and respect of the international community. We would have be able to demonstrate that we had thoroughly conquered the ignorant nationalistic mindset that lead to national disaster, as it has for many other countries before us

If there are goods to be sold and money to be made I wouldn't expect the above to be much of an issue for very long tbh.

Depends what you mean. Countries will always want to trade with us.

But the EU will not want to take us back while there the country is still divided by this nationalist hard right element. It will take a long time to defeat that comprehensively.

Seem to remember your pal Nige saying that if it was 52/48 for Remain, it wouldn't be over. Just following your boy's orders, @HeyHeyImABeLeaver* *

Not my boy at all but by golly I didn't have you down as a subscriber to Nigel's methods😮 (and for what it's worth he would have had as much chance of getting another re-run in the opposite direction as remain did, ie no chance)

Thing is Nige, EDL etc, they weren't on my side. Try and disassociate yourself from them all you like but they were still your guys.

In 10 years the only age group in which Leave has a majority - the 60 pluses will be depleted - dead and in care homes.

Hey, I am in that age bracket and I hope neither of those options will apply. Twenty years - yes, very likely. But then I was a Remainer, now a Rejoiner.

MIL was a Remainer too. At 97 now, I think it will almost certainly apply to her.

I hope I am still alive to see a Rejoin.

@Clavinova That's great for Google being a multinational able to build that in London but their address for invoicing is 'Google Ireland Limited, 1st and, 2nd Floor Gordon House, Barrow Street, Dublin 4, Ireland'. Not sure how that building being there helps a company like the one I work for (as well as lots of small London agencies) and they are subjected to tariffs which makes us uncompetitive? But I'm all ears if you have any suggestions? We can't ask Google if we could invoice a UK entity, they won't have it.

I’m waiting for a year to see exactly what the deal involves, rather than believing the words spouted by politicians.
Talk at Christmas 2021

Tatiana, I don't care whether the EU would take us back. It is irrelevant as we won't be asking to go back.

Covid and working from home has upended a lot of business models which required city based office space. To what extent that will last is debatable - but I would guess that we might see a model emerge where people average about 2-3 days in the office. Some will come in every day because they don't have suitable space at home to work, and then there will be occasional need for face to face meetings.

@yellowspanner

Tatiana, I don't care whether the EU would take us back. It is irrelevant as we won't be asking to go back.

Not for the next 4 years, but beyond that, we'll probably be begging...

I’m waiting for a year to see exactly what the deal involves, rather than believing the words spouted by politicians.

The New York Times has done a great unbiased summary, being a foreign newspaper it ignores the UK government spin and won't have any political allegiances.

www.nytimes.com/2020/12/25/world/europe/brexit-britain-european-union.html

@yellowspanner

Tatiana, I don't care whether the EU would take us back. It is irrelevant as we won't be asking to go back.

As you haven’t even the remotest idea what’s going on this is rather meaningless.

The eu are fucked off we're leaving and wanted to teach us a lesson wouldn't offer us anywhere near as good terms as other countries no in EU.
I wanted to remain but fully accept the majority voted to leave so we have to leave.
Anybody anti brexit will never always think we got a bad deal .

Anyone with an once of common sense would know it takes time to process thing at a loss why intelligent people expect full details of deal hours after it's been agreed .

How many years approx will it take to pay the costs of Brexit, incurred up to the end of the transition period? I guess it’s pretty hard to quantity quite how enormous these are - the direct costs incurred by government and the direct and indirect costs incurred by private sector businesses ‘getting ready’ for Brexit.

How much gain in gdp is needed to cover these costs and over roughly how many years?

Thanks for posting the NY times post. I have seen very few articles in the foreign press that suggest a Brexit will be good for the U.K., and often wonder what Leavers make of the fact that the rest of the world is flummoxed at why any nation would do this to itself (or allow 17.4 million to do this to the rest of us).

Mind you I often wonder why anyone expects people to ‘accept’ a vote in a referendum founded upon lies and corruption and just pretend that there’s no problem and nobody deserves for things to be done properly.

The apathy in this country has been a huge part of its downfall.

Thing is Nige, EDL etc, they weren't on my side. Try and disassociate yourself from them all you like but they were still your guys

Sorry, should I have used my invaluable vote and go against my strong belief that we are better off out due to a few scrotes? Not happening. I voted the same way but for differing reasons, just like we vote in a GE and I'm ok with that thank you.

Its not a lot different from Labour in the GE, how many voters held their noses and voted Labour knowing they had a hard core of anti Semitic members. That's the same 'your guys' principle is it not?

To use a well known remainer phrase 'Lie down with dogs ..... ' or is that something else that only goes one way.

Caveat - For the record I have no idea how you voted and am not assuming it was Labour.

Sorry, should I have used my invaluable vote and go against my strong belief that we are better off out due to a few scrotes?

No, but maybe you could have engaged the few braincells you have left and stop reading the Daily Heil and actually think for yourself.

I'm not holding my breath though...

Fantastic post, thank you OP. Please could you add the usernames alongside the ridiculous scaremongering comments though?

No, but maybe you could have engaged the few braincells you have left and stop reading the Daily Heil and actually think for yourself

I can imagine when that oh so clever two liner popped into your head it gave you a warm and fuzzy feeling of intellectual superiority, am I right? Unfortunately, actually written down it makes you look anything but. Some things are best left in one's mind.