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And so it is done....! 🙌

Finally!

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Merry Xmas!!

"You have nothing new to say. You just love fighting old battles.
It's going to get really old really soon" - Bellini.

Pretty rich coming from the poster who can't shut up about being called a name years ago.
I rather feel at this point, you have become Bellini-Baloney.

@wherearemychickens

I did think yesterday that one benefit of Brexit may be reduced choice - read about a study the other day where when people were given a choice of 24 varieties of something, only 3% could choose, but given a choice of 6 varieties, over 25% could make the decision. So as Brexit is likely to lead to reduced consumer choice, we may be happier on the whole?

Brexit is not going to reduce consumer choice

You'll have to help me out here because I'm obviously thick😂😂. I still think Brexit was a bad choice and would still vote Remain but now it's done, I'm identifying something which, at least in my opinion, is a good thing and that's bad because......?

And the "Scotland needs us more than we need them", "their economy is more important to them than their sovereignty " ... it sounds like exchanges we were having with you in 2016. The German carmakers argument.

And if you gave a shit about the threat of community violence in NI, you wouldn't have opened this Pandora's Box and supported the betrayal of the Unionist community.
Like I said, I'd be happy with NI as an economic Freeport - I argued for this on here for years. Reunification would be horribly expensive for Ireland but .... maybe it's a price worth paying for sovereignty.

Sound familiar?

I did think yesterday that one benefit of Brexit may be reduced choice - read about a study the other day where when people were given a choice of 24 varieties of something, only 3% could choose, but given a choice of 6 varieties, over 25% could make the decision. So as Brexit is likely to lead to reduced consumer choice, we may be happier on the whole?
Actually I think you have a point here.
I've hear those studies as well. If you give people a choice of twenty chocolates, they take longer to choose and are less happy with their choice. If they have only three to choose from, they spend less time deciding and are happier with the one they picked.
I think there may at times be short term supply problems, I don't think the chocolate analogy is comparable though as I don't think people (well, those who voted remain) will be happy about choice being reduced. I think Leave voters will just take it on board as a short term problem. Let just hope it's not essence items held up. I don't think it will be but I think stuff like factory components might be held up at times. I bet the residents of Kent who are unhappy about it being turned into a giant car park are the remain voters, they're often painted as Leave voters shooting themselves in the foot, but I bet they're not, I bet the leave voters are fine with it. Even the eel bloke seems to have done a Uturn and seems ok now about losing his business. I'm sure he has no regrets, likewise Kent.

bellinisurge
Do you live in Ireland? You mentioned you have a Irish passport, it just just a historical thing that you were lucky enough to qualify for? I'm one generation to far away to get one unfortunately, I'm most unset about my children not having an EU passport anymore though, my leave voting mum could get one though.

I grew up very poor, just like the pp, benefits, very deprived area (worst in country still). I went to Germany on a bit of a whim, with almost no money (hitchhiking with a friend), no qualifications, no German, got a job cleaning hotel rooms. It really opened my eyes to the world. Stupid, stupid things, like I didn't know anyone who ate at a table before, everybody I knew sat on the couch watching telly. Growing up, we didn't know anyone who didn't live in a council house, not one person (I suppose unless you count the doctor). I really thank God somebody like me had those opportunities and it makes me so sad we've taken them away from young people like I was. I hope leave voters on here can see that and do something to give people like me those opportunities back. I know posters will say you're talking rubbish, young people will still be able to do that blar, blar, blar. But poor kids like I was won't, they won't be able to navigate the system, they won't have the money and they won't qualify. All I had was a post office passport (remember them) and my thumb, and that was all I needed. I'm quite well off and middle class now and live in quite a posh area, my children's live is a world away from mine. They will still have opportunities (not so many or so easily though) only because we can afford to pay for them and have skills to navigate paperwork.

Anyway bellinisurge I'm very envious of your golden ticket, EU passport :)

@Kendodd , my mum was Irish (born there). She came here after WWII to train as a nurse in the new NHS because there weren't enough British people willing to do it - familiar story. I had to actively get my daughter on the Foreign Birth Register to get her citizenship)dh and I automatically citizens - he has an Irish born parent too. But now she is, we all have passports. Which, I may say, are much nicer than the Poundland blue British ones we have.

I don't think it's true about no enough British people will to work as nurses, or doctors or any other type of medic. I think our governments, that we voted for, (well not me ever but that's another thread) have just added up that it's cheaper in import NHS staff than to train them. This has been going on for decades and I cant see it changing. I'm 51, growing up (most deprived part of the country remember) our doctors and dentists were ALWAYS Indian. Not once did I see a not Asian. My children all have English doctors, I suspect its because I live in a much nicer part of the country now (nicer might not be the right word) I also have a lot for doctor/medic friends, all apart from one (Belgian) are British.

A majority of people working in the NHS are British, although in some areas it may not initially appear like that, due to the concentration of different groups of people living in particular areas.

I think the net result of lots of individual company decisions will result in less consumer choice - certainly of European products. We just won't be worth the hassle exporting to. Possibly less of an issue for the next six months, but after July when we're implementing full controls as well?

And price increases on what does come in to reflect the non-tariff barriers that now need to be mitigated may have the net effect of reducing consumer choice? There's that to consider as well.

It will be interesting to see how supermarkets adapt. I don't see the choice of processed and junk food foods decreasing markedly I have to say. I should think anything packed full of preservatives that survives months will be okay, and we may well see more of that coming in from non-European countries eventually?

I'm not sure less choice is a bad thing. Isn't the choice mostly a price/quality balance? It's only those who have money to spare that 'choice' becomes an issue....for those who budget very carefully, the choice stops beyond the cheapest options.

That's what I'm saying Lurking, that less choice can be a benefit generally. My worry would be if it reduces the option of healthy food choices for those on lower incomes even further than currently exists, as the cheapest options are about to get more expensive.

Otellie, it is true of course that the majority of NHS staff are British but that does not mean that there isn't a sizeable minority of EU and non-EU nationals as well. EU nationals make almost 10% of all doctors: commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7783/. This is a significant percentage and any reduction would make a huge difference to the services provided.

I'm going to be interested to see how many EU labourers come back after Christmas.

The cognitive dissonance by some posters on this thread is astounding!

In what way Black?

This is a significant percentage and any reduction would make a huge difference to the services provided.

Obviously there are opportunities for suitably qualified people to work in the UK under the points based system, should they so wish to.

If it is financially worth their while given the new bureaucratic obstacles that have been put in their way. Maybe the same people could go to other English speaking countries in the EU that have a better quality of life if you have the money .....

Which English speaking countries are you referring to in EU Bellinisurge? Most EU countries have their own 1st languages which aren't English.

But if people want to go to the EU I'm sure they will. And for people who want to live in the UK, they'll go through the steps, just like they would do in other point based entry countries. Not everyone despises the UK in the way you clearly do.

Otellie, as Bellinisurge suggested, many of these people may no longer wish to work in the UK. There has been already a decline in the number of EU migrants that would come here as nurses. EU nationals, especially doctors, are not usually fluent only in English (apart from their own language). Even if that was the case, they would think twice before coming here, given the vitriol against migrants in the UK at the moment.

[whispers] Ireland.

I don't hate England. It gave my refugee grandparents a place of safety. But the UK, as a project, is past its sell by date. Its constituent members should strike out on their own while remaining.... what's the phrase your boy uses ? ... friends and partners with their neighbours.

Does Ireland have a large level of Eastern European immigration? What levels of immigration from the wider EU exists in Ireland? Asking for a friend.

Loads of immigration to Ireland from all over the world. There are actually a few racist meatheads there who don't know the meaning of irony. Ireland is becoming a very diverse country and the study of Irish is growing.

Otellie, as Bellinisurge suggested, many of these people may no longer wish to work in the UK.

Some EU nationals won't want to. And undoubtedly others will take their place.

whispers] Ireland

Yes I know your parents are Irish and you have an Irish passport. Thought you also said you were brought up in the north of England as well. You know, England, the country you despise. And you might think the UK is past it's sell by date. Ultimately that also will not be your decision overall. But if you ever get an opportunity, you can drop your vote in the ballot box and see if the majority agrees with you.