...to ask Brexit supporters on here whether they might now be having second thoughts?

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Just that really. Would love to hear from Brexiteers on here whether they still believe in 'taking back control' at all costs, now that it's pretty clear there will be no deal, and the practical and economic implications will be huge...

I can only hope that the harm done is disproportionately felt by Brexit voters (looking at you Sunderland).

Er....of the total Brexit vote, the majority came from south of Birmingham .

Another positive - seems Nationalism is rearing its Head at an increasing speed across, up and down Europe - the more 'unsettling kind' - not the Scottish and Welsh devolution sort found in the UK.

Countries like Poland, Hungary and Austria and then Italy and France have more to worry about than we do in terms of Nationalism.

Of course there's Irish Nationalism - but that's better kept calm by the USA nowadays, despite their recent history of informal Noraid support. I think even Biden with his 'way back whenever' claim to Irish Ancestry understands that. The EU only ignorantly 'stir it up'' in their pursuit of getting it totally their way.

People in a cult don't want to admit their gullibility.

"I sturggled to find anything unbiased at the time. " says a op. Well you didn't look very hard because it was all there easy to find.

Hi bellini - good to see you spreading your messages of 'goodwill' as seems a speciality of yours .

Just for a laugh - what Cult do I belong to please? And what Culty Worshipping and Beliefs do I Hold?

Do tell.....Mistress of The Cupboard in the Cult of Stockpiling, Brexit and Covid Factions?

Kimchi - a different method of preserving using Cabbage. And Salt and Water. It ferments. It's a Korean thing.

Nighty night.

Hi @HateIsNotGood Brexiteers are in a cult. Which harms everyone.
I prep. Which harms no one.

No. Don't regret voting leave.

I voted for freedom, sovereignty, democracy, and to get out of a federal project that none of us signed up to

I also hate the neo-Liberal economics of the EU and the pro - big business model that prioritises the wealthy and screws the little guys.

But does that mean that Remain voters are in a Cult too? With their Beliefs rooted in the Righteous and Good of them?

Seems a bit Catholic Inquisition and Torquemada doesn't it?

Please try making Kimchi if you haven't already - you can chuck loads of root veg in there and it keeps for ages.

Like I said- cult

I didn't vote to tank the economy and refuse to compromise in the middle of a pandemic that has already weakened the economy. You can't see that? You are in a cult

I'm happy to be wrong. That's good news for everyone. But if Brexiteers are wrong, we are fucked. And if I'm right, we are fucked.

Exactly that.

Freedom of movement is all well and good if you are wealthy and went to a good school.

Eh? The youngsters I know who live and work in the EU are not wealthy, did not go to university or attend “good” schools. They went there because that was where the work was.

I don't regret voting leave, but admit that I underestimated how difficult it would be to get a decent trade deal with the EU. Also, the lie on the bus thing was wrong and unnecessary - some honesty about the true net savings and the likely cost of leaving the EU would have been nice to know.

However, I think the UK public was conned way back in the 70s, into joining the EEU (as it was then), because they were led to believe it would simply be a trading organisation, rather then the United States of Europe that was always the intention of its creators, way back when it began. Take a look at the (Dis)United States of America to see how difficult it is to get countries/states with very different cultures and political ideas to unite together as one entity - it's just impossible. The USA is very fragmented and Europe will not fare any better with its failed project.

A no deal Brexit isn't ideal, but a poor deal with none of the advantages of full independence (or full membership) would be worse, IMO. We are in for a rocky road, but I think we'll look back in 5 years at the failed EU project and be glad we got out when we did. I hope to see the money saved by not paying EU contributions used to subsidise UK farmers, UK businesses and the NHS. I also hope that we can start to be more self sufficient for food and energy.

I also hope that we can start to be more self sufficient for food and energy. Riiight. Have you not heard how worried UK farmers are about staying afloat when WTO tariffs are slapped on?

My sister and her husband both voted Leave and massively regret it. They are lovely people but not very into politics and as many of their friends and colleagues were voting Leave, they did too. They believed a lot of the lies told by the Leave campaign and I believe they were failed as well by the Remain campaign which didn't do a good enough job of promoting the positives of the EU. She told me a few months back how much she regrets it and would dearly love to go back in time and change her vote :-(

So you posted this -
I see that some remainers still haven't worked out why they lost then. You will not win hearts and minds by telling people that they were too thick to know what they voted for.
In response to a poster saying this -
I voted remain. I think those that voted leave won't have the brain capacity to work out what this means until they can't get medication, pay for food or travel to Spain!

What are you saying with that? Are you saying you voted Leave because people called you names? And then you complain about Leave voters being called thick?

I voted Remain, fed up with people being vile on both the Remain and the Leave side, fed up with both the main parties in the UK and fed up with the EU.

Do I think it will go smoothly without disruption? Probably not! Like others have said tho, a couple of months disruption before it calms down is the most likely scenario...

Lots of people saying similar to the above - and I am sure there will be ways of facilitating trade with the EU - but no one is mentioning the extra costs and price rises involved, which will disproportionately affect those least able to tolerate them.

I think in a couple of months, once food (and stuff in general) shortages and price hikes become reality, there will only be a small fraction of the 17 million that voted leave that will be happy, because that’s where we’re about to be.

It’s not right to say that in a country of 60-70 million that represents democracy.

I’m happy to be wrong. That's good news for everyone. But if Brexiteers are wrong, we are fucked. And if I'm right, we are fucked

Sums it up completely, spot on Bellini. Complacency often leads to a fall.

[quote Notanothermessage]@MarshaBradyo I've been on these boards for years and there is nothing I can say to you that won't lead to an insult. If you (not you personally but remainers) would just stop the vitriol and accept that some people differ in opinion, then maybe a good discussion could be had.[/quote]
But it's not just a difference of opinion. Leavers voted to remove my European citizenship, destabilise my country, disrupt the food supply, sour relations with our largest trading partner, remove the basis of many of our legal contracts and destroy UK jobs. And if they weren't mislead or lacking understanding that means they did that deliberately and knowingly. So frankly, vitriol is justified.

Forgiveness starts with an apology. Until that happens, until Leavers acknowledge that their actions, their choices, have material impact on people who did not chose this, acceptance and "good discussion" is impossible.

So, ball's in your court. Will you apologise for what you've brought on us, or is it just Remainers who have to grit their teeth and smile?

@Blibbyblobby Apologise? Are you mad? You must be, I really can't believe what I am hearing. Back in the 90s, a friend of mine wanted to become a nurse and could not get a place on a course. Why? Because the number of places available had been cut to the bone by Blair, who was instead 'importing' as many nurses as possible from the EU, all fully trained. How was this correct? Yet you moan on about job losses caused by remainers. It was/is the same for most working class trades. EU food mountains/ remember them? The mountains of tinned beef and butter etc? All caused by the CAP and subsides. Inefficient to say the least and a huge problem. Over fishing and dumping of dead fish back in the sea due to EU quotas? The EU is a huge lesson in state run inefficiency. The only thing destabilising this country are remainers like you and your sneery and close-minded attitude and complete and utter lack of education about how the EU actually operates. I'm waiting for YOUR apology for your inability to accept a difference of opinion.

Gosh, what a refreshing thread. I've never seen this question asked on MN before.

I voted remain but most of the leave voters I know now regret it as they feel they were lied to. However, I believe if remain had won, the leave argument would still be gaining momentum right now, with the EU being blamed for everything that's wrong in the UK and another referendum would have been inevitable with leave winning that one. For me leave was always going to be the ultimate winner as no one knew exactly what it would entail so could be based on any number of ideal scenarios, it's only now we can truly see the disruption it brings.

I think brexit just needs to be concluded now so we can all adjust to the new normal. However, my main fear is that this government lacks the competence, experience and vision to maximise any new opportunities brexit gives us and that's going to make the whole experience far more miserable.