...to ask Brexit supporters on here whether they might now be having second thoughts?

[SafferUpNorth]

Just that really. Would love to hear from Brexiteers on here whether they still believe in 'taking back control' at all costs, now that it's pretty clear there will be no deal, and the practical and economic implications will be huge...

No not at all and I own several propertie in the EU.

@loopylou3030

No not at all and I own several propertie in the EU.

Interesting...

I have a personal theory that those who are moderately well off (and "having several properties in the EU" could be taken to be at least moderately well off) are insulated to some degree to the fallout.

People who are on the bread line will find it much harder to handle a 5% hike in food prices (Tesco's I believe) than someone who is well off, for example.

Mind you - interesting point - from 1st Jan it looks like holiday makers will be be banned from the EU, as a result of us now being a 3rd party country (Covid rules, I believe). As such.. those EU properties ma be a tricky bit harder to manage

@loopylou3030

No not at all and I own several propertie in the EU.

Amd you aren't bothered about Brexit! Then you are mad or not being truthful.

I have businesses in the countries where we own properties and trading should not be affected with any other travel ban. We lived in France for many years and still have a business there but decided life is far better in the UK. However for various reasons I do not believe travel will be banned to the EU for longer than a few months if at all. The amount of money that we spend in the EU both as second home owners and tourists is huge they won't want to lose it.

I voted leave. I still thing that in the long term it will be a good thing. We don’t yet know the outcome for this week or early January so too early to say how difficult it will be.

Lots of people ‘blame’ the leave campaign for convincing people like me to vote leave. Whether based on lies or slogans etc. (I was undecided at the start of the campaign). I put some ‘blame’ if you want to call it that on the remain campaign. No one sold the positives of being in Europe. I still haven’t heard much of it. It seemed to be principles of freedom versus fear of leaving. I know it was my responsibility as a voter to find out both sides of the argument and I did try but the bigger long term picture seemed to me to point to getting away from Europe which was heading in a more federal direction and still is.

The benefits for me of being in Europe include

Peace in Europe
Good trading deals with our nearest neighbour, net benefit was measured and substantial
Freedom of movement around Europe
Ability to have a voice at the global table
A voting option in Europe way above that due to us based on country size
Europe pushing for better employment and human rights for us all

Thanks for that Midgebabe - I would add

Simplicity with the Irish boarders - I do think if I had thought hard enough about this I might have gone the other way (I know I should have it is pretty obvious)

But just to go through our others and how I justified/ still justify them to myself:

Peace in Europe - maybe I am naive but I hope war is isn’t going to break out anytime soon in Europe and the EU Probably wouldn’t make much difference anyway

Good trading deals with our nearest neighbour, net benefit was measured and substantial - yes I hoped for and still do hope for a good trade deal.

Freedom of movement around Europe - I suppose a bit more control on this is not necessarily a disaster although harder work (paperwork) for us all. But perhaps someone wanting to come from Mexico for example would now be on a level with someone from France and it would depend on their qualifications etc. Nice for us to be able to go and live in Europe if we want I guess.

Ability to have a voice at the global table - hopefully we still can - admittedly not as part of a bigger block

A voting option in Europe way above that due to us based on country size - that sounds good if we want to influence Europe I guess.

Europe pushing for better employment and human rights for us all - again lots if you will think I am naive but I hope our government would do this too. It would be able to and it can do things that Europe doesn’t let us do - two small examples removing VAT on sanitary products and banking live exports.

Some pro-Brexit people argue that EU will inevitably collapse & UK will be "better off out of it". Coz you know, every other time things imploded in Europe, Britain never got dragged into the mess. No history of that at all..

*banning live exports

My only second thought is to be glad I voted Brexit. I don't want to be governed by a European parliament thanks.

No Leaver will admit it even if privately they do have regrets,

FIL regrets voting Leave but can’t see him shouting about it.

No.

I don’t know how anyone can regret a decision when at the moment we haven’t properly come out and seen what impact this will have on our economy.

Nobody knows what this will do so I think all this name calling and self righteous is just ridiculous.

From a personal viewpoint I don’t believe that the EU is a sustainable model, I did Economics as an A level and most of it was how bad the EU model was and only really helped one or two countries, and after seeing countries in the EU having to be bailed out because of the financial crisis certainly cemented to me that the economic model of the EU just won’t work.

It will be interesting to see how the impact of the pandemic will affect it now that Germany and France have been severely hit as well.

Pointless thread. People have long since dig trenches and will not change their minds.

Whatever. Brexit is a stupid fucking idea. I can only hope that the harm done is disproportionately felt by Brexit voters (looking at you Sunderland).

No, don't regret it. Would do the same again
I dont feel tricked But i didnt really have much to do the leave campaign. I did speak to our Pro EU (and rising Conservative star) MP. Watching him lose his normal eloquence and admit the EU hasnt been good for us in respect of the questions I raised was enough for me.

No, non, nein, niet

My grandmother voted Leave and now spends at least part of every evening in tears.

She is 89 now thinks it would have been better if the vote had been closed to all those over 70-not because they're not capable of deciding-but because it simply won't affect them because they won't be around.

In the same way, I think the vote should have been open to all those over 12. This is the most thinking generation of school students there has ever been. They are brave, bright, caring and committed but their future lies in tatters because of the grey vote.

So yes, my grandmother knows she made a mistake-what good does it do

My grandmother voted Leave and now spends at least part of every evening in tears.

That's very sad LadyFelsham. I hope that she is able to find some peace.

My dd was only 11 in 2016, but feels deeply aggrieved by the fact that her rights were snatched away from her without her consent. Sadly, that's democracy, I guess, but I do feel so sorry for the younger generation who will lose out as a result of Brexit.

It was always going to be difficult but it will all get worked out.

When? 20 years, 30 years?

I'm 50 and anyone my age should be really worried about their prospects of retirement because of this.

Anyone also thinking FoM means just a bit more paperwork is naive.

Why would you employ a non EU passport holder when it means more paperwork, health care insurance, qualification equivalence etc etc, when you can just employee an EU citizen.

I voted remain but I don't want anyone in tears over the decision that they made. What good is that?

I don't think this next year will be comfortable while everything readjusts but I don't see this dystopian future predicted by others either.

In any case, for good or bad, demanding penance from the other side won't tip the balance.

My grandmother voted Leave and now spends at least part of every evening in tears.

That's so sad. The referendum is done now and your grandmother shouldn't feel sad about the result 😢

Voted remain but I'd probably vote leave now

my relatives in NI voted leave following DUP.. Given that the view in NI is that Brexit is likely to accelerate a united Ireland I wonder how much they are regretting it.

( I know overall NI voted remain but DUP jumped into bed with Boris and and got cheated on very swiftly)

@SerenadeOfTheSchoolRun thank you for being honest. I agree with you that not enough was done to highlight the benefits of being in the EU.

I would be less upset if there was a competent group of Tory leavers in the government, who could be trusted on anything.

Brexit unintentionally has led to over 10,000 avoidable deaths because Mr Johnson is Prime Minister, and he would not be if Remain had won.