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...to ask Brexit supporters on here whether they might now be having second thoughts?

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SafferUpNorth · 10/12/2020 10:49

Just that really. Would love to hear from Brexiteers on here whether they still believe in 'taking back control' at all costs, now that it's pretty clear there will be no deal, and the practical and economic implications will be huge...

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lovelemoncurd · 10/12/2020 16:06

I voted remain. I think those that voted leave won't have the brain capacity to work out what this means until they can't get medication, pay for food or travel to Spain!

Crankley · 10/12/2020 16:10

In the same way, I think the vote should have been open to all those over 12

One of the most ridiculous things I've read by a remainer out of many ridiculous things. Next foetuses in the womb will be demanding the vote, it's their future after all. [mm]

LadyFelsham · 10/12/2020 18:26

@Crankley.

Would you not have trusted teachers to give a balanced view. In my child's school, a Remainer and a Leaver were both voted in to give a talk. I actually felt the Leaver was the stronger speaker, something I wasn't expecting!

So, yes a 12 year old is a long way from a foetus and many would have had the options to listen to debates at school, listen to peers and parents as well as watch some media on the topic.

12 -20 olds today are part of the best educated and thinking generation we've ever had! I think many older people are rightly in awe of them. My sister teaches in a secondary school and she and her colleagues feel that they are-sometimes-on the wrong side of the desk, certainly when teaching years 11 and 12.

This was a Vote for the Future and that was why 12 should have been the minimum age. We wouldn't be in this mess today if it had happened.

Hollyoakswatcher · 10/12/2020 18:35

@LadyFelsham 12 years old are deemed not even responsible enough to have a social media account (I know many do). How can you then say that they are responsible for voting on the future of the country but not responsible enough to even post a picture of their dinner.

DdraigGoch · 10/12/2020 19:12

@SerenadeOfTheSchoolRun

I voted leave. I still thing that in the long term it will be a good thing. We don’t yet know the outcome for this week or early January so too early to say how difficult it will be.

Lots of people ‘blame’ the leave campaign for convincing people like me to vote leave. Whether based on lies or slogans etc. (I was undecided at the start of the campaign). I put some ‘blame’ if you want to call it that on the remain campaign. No one sold the positives of being in Europe. I still haven’t heard much of it. It seemed to be principles of freedom versus fear of leaving. I know it was my responsibility as a voter to find out both sides of the argument and I did try but the bigger long term picture seemed to me to point to getting away from Europe which was heading in a more federal direction and still is.

This. Pretty much all I ever heard from the Remain campaign was "it's scary outside". The few benefits which anyone did promote were generally middle class preoccupations, irrelevant to most. Freedom of movement is all well and good if you are wealthy and went to a good school. For the rest of the country, you instead find wages being squeezed as supply of unskilled labour massively outstrips demand for it. I still can't believe the number of people trying to claim that the ECSC/EEC/EU brought peace to the continent. Nothing to do with having 900,000 NATO troops stationed in West Germany then...

I voted remain. I think those that voted leave won't have the brain capacity to work out what this means until they can't get medication, pay for food or travel to Spain!
I see that some remainers still haven't worked out why they lost then. You will not win hearts and minds by telling people that they were too thick to know what they voted for.

ginghamstarfish · 10/12/2020 19:16

No one would admit to it here, so why ask? It's been years of name calling so people keep their thoughts to themselves.

PurpleHoodie · 10/12/2020 19:27

Lots of "Brits in 'Spain'" types here.

Will be interesting asking them this question again in 18 months time.

I work with one. Is a firm Brexiteer and was bemoaning how Brexit has "screwed up retirement/semi retirement plans in Europe now (Spain/Portugal etc) Is looking to North American or the Carribean now. "But they're so far from home".

Ho hum. My heart bleeds.

PurpleHoodie · 10/12/2020 19:29

Plenty will be 'stockpiling in secret' soon enough also.

Dawnlassie · 10/12/2020 19:32

Didnt vote as I could not trust either side. Now want us tell the EU to shove their version of the deal where the sun doesnt shine.

PurpleHoodie · 10/12/2020 19:34

We don't need to tell the EU anything.

We are out. Nothing more needs to be said. They don't need us.

LadyFelsham · 10/12/2020 19:38

[quote Hollyoakswatcher]@LadyFelsham 12 years old are deemed not even responsible enough to have a social media account (I know many do). How can you then say that they are responsible for voting on the future of the country but not responsible enough to even post a picture of their dinner.[/quote]
Yes, I've reflected on that. So, maybe not 12 then but certainly 15

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FiohohonaMumsnet · 10/12/2020 20:03

We're just moving this one over to the Brexit section

Theworldisfullofgs · 10/12/2020 20:08

Well now looks v likely to be no deal so will get very uncomfortable very quickly.

Notanothermessage · 10/12/2020 20:12

No regrets at all. No second thoughts. In fact, I agree with Brexit more than ever.

MarshaBradyo · 10/12/2020 20:13

@Notanothermessage

No regrets at all. No second thoughts. In fact, I agree with Brexit more than ever.
Why so? Genuinely interested not being goady etc
Notanothermessage · 10/12/2020 20:13

@lovelemoncurd

I voted remain. I think those that voted leave won't have the brain capacity to work out what this means until they can't get medication, pay for food or travel to Spain!
This attitude led to Brexit as much as anything.
Crankley · 10/12/2020 20:14

Hollyoakswatcher
@LadyFelsham 12 years old are deemed not even responsible enough to have a social media account (I know many do). How can you then say that they are responsible for voting on the future of the country but not responsible enough to even post a picture of their dinner.

Exactly. The only reason a remainer would come up with this looney idea is because they hope all the predominantly left wing teachers will have indoctrinated all the little darlings to vote remain. The idea is risible.

Notanothermessage · 10/12/2020 20:17

@MarshaBradyo I've been on these boards for years and there is nothing I can say to you that won't lead to an insult. If you (not you personally but remainers) would just stop the vitriol and accept that some people differ in opinion, then maybe a good discussion could be had.

MarshaBradyo · 10/12/2020 20:19

Notanother fair enough it can get heated. But I agree it’s a shame as I would like to hear from someone who voted Leave and feels as you do. I like to find positives and you probably have some! But I’ll wait and see what happens next.

Newjez · 10/12/2020 20:29

It's a bit like asking someone who has just driven into a tree at high speed whether they regret their decision, and the answer is invariably yes, because they were actually aiming for that wall over there. Personally I would have just pulled over to the side of the road with EEA/EFTA. But whatever works for you.

HateIsNotGood · 10/12/2020 20:41

I agree with notanother if that helps Marsha.

I would still vote Leave - preferably with a Deal (in Full) but it seems likely that's not going to happen within the 'set timeframes'

Maybe the best would be an Entente Cordiale, with many sub-agreements following.

It's an impasse and the blame game is unhelpful - unfortunately the EU can't negotiate any further - they've done all their negotiating between themselves to reach their immutable stance.

The UK can be flexible on some things such as fishing transitions and who monitors the Governance, but can't shift on anything if the other side can't. Stalemate.

A pov I have is that whilst the EU wish that Standards are equal - should that not mean that the EU should meet some of the 'higher' Standards that the UK have (will have). Eg: Animal Welfare?

Chloemol · 10/12/2020 20:43

No

Forgetmenot157 · 10/12/2020 20:46

As someone else has said... Until it effects us personally, Why would anyone regret their decision?

People make it seem like the apocalypse is happening right now... The proof will be in the pudding. Do I think it will go smoothly without disruption? Probably not! Like others have said tho, a couple of months disruption before it calms down is the most likely scenario...

I wander how many lives will be saved by our vaccine role out starting much earlier than the rest of the EU?

MarshaBradyo · 10/12/2020 20:47

ok thanks HateisNotGood that’s helpful

Toptotoeunicolour · 10/12/2020 20:54

Too late to worry about it, just looking forward now. Expected to sit tight and grit teeth through this bit so it's delivering on that front.
I think it would be more interesting to ask Remainers how they are dealing with their grief because that seems to be a far greater current issue as I read these threads than Leaver regret.

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