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Westministenders: Its the waiting that kills you

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RedToothBrush · 05/11/2020 19:22

Just waiting.

Talks between Frost and Barnier still unresolved issues. There are rumours but 'all without evidence' (the new in phrase on BBC news tonight) that the UK is waivering.

Less that two months to go.

And there is the small matter of what happens in the US than might influence events.

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RedToothBrush · 12/11/2020 14:50

@FishesaPlenty

However I think that lorry drivers WOULD tend to go via Warrington rather than via the roads in Wales because of the quality of those roads.

The plan for clearance hubs at Warrington and Birmingham is fine - for goods going between (most of) England and ROI. The issue I was highlighting is goods going from ROI to Wales - or to Liverpool from the Birkenhead ferry for that matter.

Imagine a factory on Anglesey having to have their incoming goods from ROI inspected in Warrington?

Short of removing all the caravans on Angelsey to accomodate the lorries, you'd be hard pushed to find a site big enough and available at short notice.

Warrington had a big old recently vacated former coach carpark just conveniently sitting there doing nothing at a location someone thought was vaguely a good idea.

Common sense doesn't come into it. Just a sense of panic and desparation.

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RedToothBrush · 12/11/2020 14:53

And a happy MP

But Conservative Warrington South MP Andy Carter has defended the plans.

He said: “This is a temporary inland port, on an existing industrial estate, which will bring up 460 well paid HMRC and border force jobs to the area at a time when job prospects in the wider economy are challenging to say the least.

“There are 000’s sq ft of empty warehouse space on the Barleycastle and Appleton Thorn trading estates, HGV movements are down significantly even compared with 12 month earlier because of the closure of the likes of Travis Perkins and Shearings.

“This is not a green belt site, it’s a former coach interchange next to the motorway and it lends itself to re-purposing as national infrastructure.

“There are already HGV restrictions on accessing the trading estates through the villages of Stretton and Appleton Thorn and I’ve raised with the project director the need to add more measures and signage so that lorries only use the M6 junction 20.”

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FlouncingBabooshka · 12/11/2020 15:00

Maybe someone should pop into a Kent forum and gloat about how the Welsh escaped a Farage Garage.

Or, if you want to upset people who live in Kent, you could just stick with your gloating here. Some Remain voters do live in Kent you know and some of us are on and/or reading these threads. The prospect of what this area could become isn’t funny, it’s fucking frightening. Four in ten in this constituency don’t want, and never have wanted, this shit-show any more than you do. The horror of being at its epicentre is awful enough without having to listen to you revelling in ‘the cosmic justice of Kent suffering’.

This sort of attitude has cropped up in the past on these threads. I found the relishing of the suffering of a whole region, inevitably including many remainders, irritating and distasteful then. Now we’re staring it full in the face it makes me bloody furious. Some people seem to forget there are Remain voters everywhere, just as there are Leave voters everywhere, even in the blessed regions that voted Remain overall. We are not all ‘hard of thinking’, pig-ignorant, racist Brexiteers here and, by the same token, I’m quite sure there are a few who fit that description in every Remain voting bastion of virtue.

I live in a lovely little town with a lot of interesting, kind and open minded people. Inevitably, there are also an awful lot who voted to leave the EU. My home happens to be eight miles from Dover. I am having sleepless nights about what’s to come. I’m looking after my chronically ill, disabled DH and praying his medication won’t be delayed. I’m terrified it will become unbearable here and we will have to stay for the rest of our days, trapped and unable to sell our house. I can’t remember the last time I had an untroubled night’s sleep.

But I suppose I deserve all that just for living in Kent?

FishesaPlenty · 12/11/2020 15:02

Short of removing all the caravans on Angelsey to accomodate the lorries

There's plenty of space alongside the A55 through Anglesey - junctions every few miles with open fields around them. We're not talking thousands of lorries a day queuing up to have their loads searched through.

Apileofballyhoo · 12/11/2020 15:05

FlouncingBabooshka Flowers I feel so sad that all of this is happening.

ListeningQuietly · 12/11/2020 15:12

I have worked with lorry drivers.
Their mental approach to the world is best described as
similar to cash in hand builders
hence the bottles of piss
the vast majority are self employed - time is money.

They regard customs tags as bloody red tape and will take great pleasure in getting round police checks.

FFS has it taken 1603 days since the vote to achieve so little
WRT the basics of the supply chain ?

ListeningQuietly · 12/11/2020 15:15

Babooshka
Flowers for you and your DH.
The frustration among East Kent friends about what the antics of Farage have caused is unanimous.
Sadly there are no easy solutions.

FrankieStein402 · 12/11/2020 15:22

I can understand there won't be many hgvs try the A5 but whats to stop them routing round the chester southern bypass? A good number go that way currently anyway.

Shrillharridan · 12/11/2020 15:24

babooshka
💜💜💜💜

BlackeyedSusan · 12/11/2020 15:27

On the plus side, come any food riots, I know where the very best place to deploy pitch forks is...

Just need to pop over the back fence here.

FishesaPlenty · 12/11/2020 15:32

I can understand there won't be many hgvs try the A5 but whats to stop them routing round the chester southern bypass? A good number go that way currently anyway.

It's not like a checkpoint in the road that all the trucks have to pass through. It's a processing centre where some will be sent to for checking. They'll notified before they disembark the ferry whether they have to go for checks apparently.

FishesaPlenty · 12/11/2020 15:34

I've just had a quick chat with someone who does Ireland regularly and he's almost as much in the dark as I am about it. That's encouraging. Hmm

DGRossetti · 12/11/2020 15:36

Just to make sure I understand ...

Lorry leaves RoI.
Lorry arrives in Wales ..
...however because there isn't enough space ...
Lorry has to drive to Warrington for customs clearance, before ...
...continuing to their final UK destination ?

And no one thinks there's anything that could possibly go wrong ?

I think I have misunderstood something. That doesn't sound right.

ListeningQuietly · 12/11/2020 15:36

And at the other end of Wales, goods coming in through Pembroke bound for Cardiff will have to go via Birmingham
(as there cannot be a hard border in Ireland)
yeah right

Any ideas what the plan is for Stranraer?

dontcallmelen · 12/11/2020 15:41

@Shrillharridan

babooshka 💜💜💜💜
This, I’m really sorry.
FishesaPlenty · 12/11/2020 15:44

@ListeningQuietly

And at the other end of Wales, goods coming in through Pembroke bound for Cardiff will have to go via Birmingham (as there cannot be a hard border in Ireland) yeah right

Any ideas what the plan is for Stranraer?

Grin

That's not quite been decided yet, since Boris hasn't decided which agreement he's going to break.

ListeningQuietly · 12/11/2020 15:46

When Brexit meets COVID
news.sky.com/story/covid-19-pfizer-vaccine-faces-brexit-risk-uk-partner-warns-12130837

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2020 15:49

@DGRossetti

Just to make sure I understand ...

Lorry leaves RoI.
Lorry arrives in Wales ..
...however because there isn't enough space ...
Lorry has to drive to Warrington for customs clearance, before ...
...continuing to their final UK destination ?

And no one thinks there's anything that could possibly go wrong ?

I think I have misunderstood something. That doesn't sound right.

No you've got it about right.
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RedToothBrush · 12/11/2020 15:57

But I suppose I deserve all that just for living in Kent?

The North West feels your pain. We are all apparently disobedient selfish wankers. AND ignorant thickos who voted for Brexshit. AND then voted for Johnson.

If only we'd all stayed at home and not voted things would be a lot better....

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DGRossetti · 12/11/2020 15:57

[quote ListeningQuietly]When Brexit meets COVID
news.sky.com/story/covid-19-pfizer-vaccine-faces-brexit-risk-uk-partner-warns-12130837[/quote]
Curious to see if/when that makes the BBC

pussycatinboots · 12/11/2020 16:06

Knob Head is doing a presser at 5, apparently.🥱

DGRossetti · 12/11/2020 16:11

@pussycatinboots

Knob Head is doing a presser at 5, apparently.🥱
Which one ?
pussycatinboots · 12/11/2020 16:15

Good question.

the blonde one I think...

DGRossetti · 12/11/2020 16:17

@pussycatinboots

Good question.

the blonde one I think...

Not really sure why I wasted the calories asking. It's not like I am going to watch it, or even take the slightest bit of notice. Not when there's paint-a-drying.

Habit, I guess.

pussycatinboots · 12/11/2020 16:20

I like watching them.
It gives me a bloody good excuse to use as many swear words and insults that I can in 20 minutes to shout at the telly.
And I always end with "buy a fucking comb" 😁