Westministenders: Its the waiting that kills you

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Just waiting.

Talks between Frost and Barnier still unresolved issues. There are rumours but 'all without evidence' (the new in phrase on BBC news tonight) that the UK is waivering.

Less that two months to go.

And there is the small matter of what happens in the US than might influence events.

Is there any good news on the Brexit horizon, something, anything to say 'well, at least that's going OK'?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-border-handbook-delays-january-lorries-b1720990.html?fbclid=IwAR3NneFtKSnAf40GiiLzO47RXWQz4VCRNnxRWQJFw0n6v1M3tZH-yrBlkbI

Jason
Is there any good news on the Brexit horizon, something, anything to say 'well, at least that's going OK'?
As per threads ad nauseam since early 2016
boring stuff like getting lorries from one place to another
is not in the belief system
and will not be until the Brexiters get huge numbers of substitutions in their Christmas online shop

I'm trying to follow but I'm getting a bit lost.
But, @ListeningQuietly do you think supply chains are likely to be disrupted before January?

Well we are back in the lead in Europe for leaving people in the way of dying of Covid today. This apparently is good news for some who love the ToryBrexittannianPlague project since it simultaneously reduces the size of the Social Care problem (they were going to die anyway in a few years so at least they won't cost anything in the meantime) whilst lining the pockets of the cronies whose incompetence has helped leave us all exposed. It bodes well for the cronies to make loadsamoney whilst ordinary people deal with food and medicine shortages, higher prices and jammed roads. That's the important thing.

Whenwillow
do you think supply chains are likely to be disrupted before January?
Of course.
How could they not be?

What continental lorry driver is going to do the Christmas time runs that might get him stuck on the M20 rather than home with his family for New Years' day.

In that last week of the year, both Monday and Friday are Bank Holidays in the UK
Sunday driving restrictions are still common all over Europe

Drivers will not want to risk getting caught in the shit storm.
They will choose not to do the run after about 22nd of the month, depending where home is.

Good news? Depends on your definition of "good". If you want to make ordinary people pay more for imports, and see jobs created in the Netherlands rather than in Scotland, this will qualify.
BBC News - Brexit hits a snag
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54882224

Already setting the groundwork - for putting the clauses back in the IMB , and blagging it.....

twitter.com/fascinatorfun/status/1326589630934896642?s=21

[quote ICouldHaveCheckedFirst]Good news? Depends on your definition of "good". If you want to make ordinary people pay more for imports, and see jobs created in the Netherlands rather than in Scotland, this will qualify.
BBC News - Brexit hits a snag
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54882224[/quote]
I'm wearing a pair of those tights right now. They are genuinely brilliant and worth the money.

Another wonderful Brexit own goal. Venlo is in a very nice part of the Netherlands though - one that actually has hills.

Thank you LQ that's helpful

pointy I do like that they'll tell purchasers that the extra cost is a "Brexit tax, which benefits neither the seller nor their customer".

[quote Jason118]Is there any good news on the Brexit horizon, something, anything to say 'well, at least that's going OK'?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-border-handbook-delays-january-lorries-b1720990.html?fbclid=IwAR3NneFtKSnAf40GiiLzO47RXWQz4VCRNnxRWQJFw0n6v1M3tZH-yrBlkbI[/quote]
Here you go - www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/brexit-uk-food-groups-race-for-irish-stockpiling-space-1.4406469

Large UK food and drink companies supplying the Republic are racing to secure extra storage space as the risk of a no-deal Brexit at the end of December threatens their supply chains.
Stafford Lynch, a Dublin-based distributor of large brands including Tetley Tea and Wilkinson Sword razors, says it is fielding such demand from major UK companies and brands wanting to stockpile products that it will have exhausted its own warehouse capacity by December.
The company’s chief executive Conor Whelan said space in Dublin will likely be at a premium until “greater clarity emerges” on Brexit.

Apparently there is particular concern over the supply of biscuits as an awful lot of our biscuits come from the UK.....

Well we are back in the lead in Europe for leaving people in the way of dying of Covid today.

It was Italy for new deaths today - Belgium and Spain for deaths per 1M population.

Venlo is in a very nice part of the Netherlands though

I visit businesses for work. Loads of them have moved some operations to the Netherlands. I reckon more have gone to the Netherlands than the rest of the EU combined.

I do like that they'll tell purchasers that the extra cost is a "Brexit tax, which benefits neither the seller nor their customer".

Interesting to read that the company donated 24,000 free pairs of tights to frontline workers (plus free delivery) before running into financial difficulties because of coronavirus - sales dropped by 75% and they sent out an SOS to customers. They raised £1m by offering two-for-one vouchers in May which were redeemable six months after purchase - although obviously not making much profit, if any on the offer. They plan to put up UK prices by 12% because of Brexit, although I suspect that part of this rise is actually to recoup lost revenue from 2020.

@Clavinova

I do like that they'll tell purchasers that the extra cost is a "Brexit tax, which benefits neither the seller nor their customer".

Interesting to read that the company donated 24,000 free pairs of tights to frontline workers (plus free delivery) before running into financial difficulties because of coronavirus - sales dropped by 75% and they sent out an SOS to customers. They raised £1m by offering two-for-one vouchers in May which were redeemable six months after purchase - although obviously not making much profit, if any on the offer. They plan to put up UK prices by 12% because of Brexit, although I suspect that part of this rise is actually to recoup lost revenue from 2020.

They plan to put up UK prices by 12% because of Brexit, although I suspect that part of this rise is actually to recoup lost revenue from 2020.

Did you miss the bit of the article that said the tariff is 12%:

A "no deal" Brexit at the end of next month means that their tights would be imported from Italy with a 12% tariff.

Clav From the same article:

": A "no deal" Brexit at the end of next month means that their tights would be imported from Italy with a 12% tariff.

The UK has said it plans to impose that on finished garments, to protect UK manufacturers from low priced competition- just as the EU has been doing. Fabric gets an 8% tariff and yarn is on 4%.

For Snag, that tax will be passed directly on to the UK customer - roughly 30% of their market - with an explanation on the website and with a receipt explaining that the charge is a Brexit tax, which benefits neither the seller nor the customer.".

Funny how we can read the same article and come to a different conclusion.
If you have a source for your info that they are putting up prices to recoup losses, can you share so that we can all read it for ourselves please?

A "no deal" Brexit at the end of next month means that their tights would be imported from Italy with a 12% tariff.

Yes, I know about the tariff - but the company doesn't have to pass on the full cost to the customer - that's a choice they have made - they probably would not have done so if they had not lost so much revenue this year. They could have negotiated with their Italian supplier/manufacturer to share some of the cost of the tariff, especially as the business is expanding globally - the company buys 60% of the manufacturer's product - so their biggest customer.

That tights company .....

offloading low stock turn colours to essential workers is one thing

facing 12% on EVERY transaction is quite another

I hope the squirrels realise that they will be shot and eaten with a sauce and dumplings when folks get hungry in January

Yes, I know about the tariff - but the company doesn't have to pass on the full cost to the customer - that's a choice they have made

No, they don't have to pass on the tariff, in the exact same way that no company has to pass on the cost of VAT (or a VAT increase if the government changes the rate). Funnily enough, nobody really thinks that's a reasonable expectation.

Clav Worldometer shows that, as of today, UK has had more deaths than any other European country. I'll get the link for you.

they probably would not have done so if they had not lost so much revenue this year

You also missed the bit where the company owner said they did not receive any of the promised Government help.

But then sales dropped by 75 per cent and no government help arrived.

inews.co.uk/news/business/snag-tights-founder-theres-nothing-stopping-us-being-a-billion-pound-brand-717979/amp

Clav here it is.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
UK is comfortably 8k deaths ahead. Remember that we'd already cheated changed the basis of counting deaths from Covid-19 to make us look better.

Clav Do you really think the Italian manufacturer would agree to absorb part of the cost of Brexit? Is this a thing? Are you aware of other importers who have successfully done this?

(This is why I love the Internet. It exposes me to alternative thinking.)

Clav Worldometer shows that, as of today, UK has had more deaths than any other European country.

The UK's position in Europe for total number of deaths (i.e. not per 1M population) hasn't changed today - Emilyontmoor posted;
"Well we are back in the lead in Europe for leaving people in the way of dying of Covid today." - I assumed she was referring to today's new deaths but had overlooked Italy.

Apropos of nothing, I like the epithet for Baroness Harding the the Gruaniad today ..

Typhoid Dido

I know. I need to grow the fuck up.