Westministenders: Its the waiting that kills you

[RedToothBrush]

Just waiting.

Talks between Frost and Barnier still unresolved issues. There are rumours but 'all without evidence' (the new in phrase on BBC news tonight) that the UK is waivering.

Less that two months to go.

And there is the small matter of what happens in the US than might influence events.

But this is the tactic - unless other countries are doing everything 100% perfectly, they are clearly doing much worse than the Brexitannian Plague Empire, which must therefore never be criticised.

mathanxiety
This thread is in the Brexit section, Clavinova. Not the Irish covid track and trace app glitch section. Or the Irish Leaving Cert issue section.

Oh for goodness sake - not again - you are a bossy boots.
Anyone reading the first page of this thread might think they had wandered into the pet section by mistake - why didn't you dictate to these posters what they can and cannot post? ...

Only heat in the house at the time - so guess where the cats had placed themselves?!
Weary and jaded PMK, with a cat trying to look as thought she has nothing at all to with a (hideous) soft toy belonging to the neighbours' kids.
^I’m really intrigued by the ‘Toilet Frogs’ article in that copy of Fortean Times. My friend once inexplicably had a frog in an upstairs toilet.
bizarrely my father who lived in rural Lincolnshire once had a bright yellow frog 🐸 in his toilet, maybe it’s more common than we think!
my friend is in Leicestershire. Maybe it’s a midlands phenomenon?^

Sadly, she did not initially recognise it as a frog and just assumed something less unexpected was stubbornly refusing to flush. As did her entire family. They continued to use the toilet for a whole day before realising and mounting a rescue operation. Poor frog...

Why shouldn't I compare the UK to Ireland on topics that have been discussed on this forum/thread - particularly as there are Irish posters on the board? It's not as if I have posted anything unpleasant about Ireland.

Or are you banning future discussions on the UK's track and trace app and public examinations as well? As long as everyone knows in advance. Will you be directing posters to the coronavirus section and the education boards? Shall I send you a message if I spot any transgressors?

You are an Irish [ROI] citizen living in the US and OchonAgusOchonO is an Irish [ROI] citizen living in Ireland - why don't you both join an Irish forum instead? You have to expect some two-way traffic on here.

Only this morning on the other Brexit thread I have just read;
"British candidates are not sought after nowadays- too much hassle. I already see this where I work. Very good news for Irish job applicants though!"

Of course I am going to defend my own country and government -why wouldn't I?

The difference is that Ireland hasn't voted to leave the EU. It has problems enough but it's not compounding that with a decision to rip up 45 years of a trading arrangement, for some pie in the sky slogans.

@pointythings

But this is the tactic - unless other countries are doing everything 100% perfectly, they are clearly doing much worse than the Brexitannian Plague Empire, which must therefore never be criticised.

This sums it up. Maybe I'll just C&P this every time - at least it's relevant

@Clavinova - You are an Irish [ROI] citizen living in the US and OchonAgusOchonO is an Irish [ROI] citizen living in Ireland - why don't you both join an Irish forum instead? You have to expect some two-way traffic on here.

Two way traffic is fine but nonsensical squirelling is obviously going to be criticised. And the reason I (and I assume Mathanxiety) are on the brexit threads is because brexit will have a hugely negative effect on Ireland. If Johnson continues along his current trajectory, it will result in delays in freight as direct sea links are slower than the land bridge, increased tariffs on exports to the uk and on imports from the UK, potentially a resumption of violence in northern Ireland. So yeah, it's pretty relevant. Aside from which, whilst mn has mainly UK posters, it is also quite international.

Of course I am going to defend my own country and government -why wouldn't I?

I don't think identifying articles that reflect negatively or criticise other countries is quite the same thing as defending your country and government. It's more "they're pretty crap but so are others".

Of course I am going to defend my own country and government -why wouldn't I?

Why would you if they're as shit as this government?

Of course I am going to defend my own country and government -why wouldn't I?

No problem as long as you are aware of the dangers of "blind patriotism" and the risks generated by offering unquestioning unconditional support to your country and government.

Peregrina
So let me get this straight - we are in a transition period with a country I am not allowed to mention - but posters from that country (who don't live in this country/have never lived in this country) can join this board and post whatever they like - about Brexit, the UK government, track and trace, A-level exams...

What happened to BIgChoc by the way? Were you all fed up of reading about Germany? So much for the EU family.

If they can relate it to Brexit, yes, on a Brexit thread. You didn't answer my question as to when Ireland voted to leave the EU.

as long as you are aware of the dangers of "blind patriotism" and the risks generated by offering unquestioning unconditional support to your country and government.

Which is why I do some research and back up my posts with links - John Major's [false] claim about the single market promise for example - which I posted yesterday.

What happened to BIgChoc by the way? Were you all fed up of reading about Germany? So much for the EU family.

What a charming low blow against a poster who went through a bad patch and isn't here to defend herself.

If this is what being a British patriot is all about, I guess I'm never going to be one.

The UK Home Secretary joked about starving the Irish out
I think that gives them the right to comment on our government

It's getting quick for me to catch up on the thread as I don't read 🐿 🐿 🐿

If they can relate it to Brexit, yes, on a Brexit thread

I think you need to establish some guidelines - frogs, cats, bread, coronavirus?

I for one am happy with "anything goes" as frankly it highlights the bankruptcy of the C&P squirrelly irrelevant non-sequiturs.

Here's my contribution for this morning to assist:

🐿 The distinct colouring of Siamese cats is because they are temperature-sensitive albinos. They have a mutation in the tyrosinase enzyme which is involved in making melanin. The mutation makes the tyrosinase less stable at normal body temperature (‘thermolabile’) and therefore it’s more functional in the cooler extremities of the cat’s body, producing darker fur in those areas. Therefore, ToryBrexitannianNationalPlague is a wondrous thing which all patriots should celebrate! 🐿

Clav "What happened to BIgChoc by the way? Were you all fed up of reading about Germany? So much for the EU family."

Shows you just C&P and don't bother reading - as you would know if you did.

And no we are not sick of her insights, as insights they were, unlike what you post. BCF is sorely missed.....

ListeningQuietly
The UK Home Secretary joked about starving the Irish out

As long as it was only a joke.

I do wonder why so many prominent critics of the government's coronavirus response have said we should close our borders like New Zealand. Have they not heard of the land bridge - what were they expecting Ireland to do?

Shows you just C&P and don't bother reading - as you would know if you did.

I do know - of course - but why are posts about Germany allowed on here and not Ireland?

A joke? If someone made a 'joke' about gassing Jews, it would be OK, would it? This is no different. It shows what an ignorant piece of work Patel is.

For a country which suffered from mass starvation, while their English overlords were exporting wheat, so could have fed the populace had they chosen to do so? Then people wonder why the Irish wanted Independence.

And vast numbers of us in this country can trace some Irish ancestry, and surprise, surprise it dates back to the famine.

The UK Home Secretary joked about starving the Irish out

As long as it was only a joke.

So it’s OK for the UK Home Secretary to publicly suggest starving the Irish because “it was only a joke”?

@Peregrina

A joke? If someone made a 'joke' about gassing Jews, it would be OK, would it? This is no different. It shows what an ignorant piece of work Patel is.

For a country which suffered from mass starvation, while their English overlords were exporting wheat, so could have fed the populace had they chosen to do so? Then people wonder why the Irish wanted Independence.

And vast numbers of us in this country can trace some Irish ancestry, and surprise, surprise it dates back to the famine.

I think Patels excuse was she didn't have the internet when she tweeted that.

And vast numbers of us in this country can trace some Irish ancestry, and surprise, surprise it dates back to the famine.

Plenty of Americans too - Joe Biden for instance.

I wonder why there's a ramping up of patriotic 🐿🐿🐿🐿🐿🐿 efforts in the last 24 hours. Does ToryBrexitannianNationalPlague require an escalated amount of distraction for something in particular?

Anyway, to follow on from my own cat-based 🐿 above, I thought I would add that Siamese kittens are born entirely white (because obviously it's uniformly warm in utero) and gradually develop their dark points as they grow, like in this picture.

You're welcome

I am mildly surprised at how little we were allowed to know about Joe Biden until now. Or maybe I'm just losing my marbles ?

When his Irish roots were first mentioned in the media recently, the impression was given that he was very much in the vein of a Reagan Irishman. Only in it for the votes.

But as the BBC clip, plus more careful reading shows, this is actually a(nother) little bit of a bum steer and Joe Bidens sense of "Irishness" (as opposed to "Oirishness") runs deep - to the extent that it was he that pressed for Gerry Adams to be allowed in the US in 1994. Much to John Majors anger.

So there should be a few more very strong hints there about how this could all pan out. And attempts by the UK media to dilute Mr. Bidens sense of Irishness probably won't help.

I saw a poster on another thread try to claim that the UK government has been speaking to the Biden team for months. I put it to you, dear reader that in actual fact the UK government has been speaking at the Biden team for months, which isn't quite the same.

TL;DR is that the problems the UK has with Ireland - which feed into the problems the UK has with the EU - are not only not going away. They have sudden become the focus.

I can't shake that statement that they have determined Brexit hurts the US. That's not a neutral statement. That's very much a warning statement.