To feel so angry that we'll be getting a no deal Brexit now on top of all this shit

[puffinsseagulls]

Australia deal = no deal effectively. Quite annoyed with the PM smirking though his speech as well. Seemingly uncaring about what he's inflicting on people. I do believe people in 2016 weren't voting for no deal. I know it's happening anyway, but it's a cheek to try to blame the EU for it imo.

I think the Tories are operating like the Republicans in America. They do not want a deal as it conveniently gets rid of all barriers for business. Workers rights, consumer rights, unions, paid leave, ingredients, supply chains etc. It means that business can operate how it likes without checks or balances. It is the same in the States - which is what all the Conservative judges are about.
Would love to have a sneak peek at the future!

I’m not enjoying the laughing and sneering from Brexiters though, it’s like Derby Day.

To be fair, I haven’t seem much of this lately. It’s all gone very quiet.

So whilst the country is going down the pan... this...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/17/cabinet-office-to-hire-photographer-in-effort-to-level-up-governments-image

"Downing Street’s critics might argue that making the government look good at present is a tough task as it faces a bruising time, lurching from one Covid-related crisis to another. But No 10 is seemingly attempting to remedy the situation – by hiring a £60,000-a-year photographer

You can't polish a turd

@pontypridd

Macron is an arse though, he was the one who cut the time of the original extension from March 2019, too. I am sure there are a lot of people in France who don't want no deal either, but he just wants to get one over on Boris.

This is the story Cummings, Gove, Johnson, Reesmugg and co want us to believe. They're pulling the wool over your eyes if you do.

They've always wanted a no deal Brexit. They will benefit from it. We won't.

In which case, Cummings must be an even better spin doctor than anyone thought as even Berlin are pissed off with Macron's intransigence.

What Macron was asking for was beyond anything a British PM with any self respect would agree to. He was insistent that Britain should have none of the benefits of its membership (fair enough). Yet he also wanted France to continue to have the benefits of Britain's membership. Basically wanting to have his cake and eat it. Wanting French fishing vessels to continue to have fishing rights up to 6 miles of Britain's shore? I think not. Britain was quite prepared to agree to a three year transition period for fishing rights, but not cede them in perpetuity.

To be honest, I doubt that a no deal Brexit will create much noticeable disruption. After all, with the continuing damage to the economy from the pandemic, the economy can't be hit much more.

even Berlin are pissed off with Macron's intransigence.
Source?

@puffinsseagulls

Australia deal = no deal effectively. Quite annoyed with the PM smirking though his speech as well. Seemingly uncaring about what he's inflicting on people. I do believe people in 2016 weren't voting for no deal. I know it's happening anyway, but it's a cheek to try to blame the EU for it imo.

The smirker is a despicable human being. I expected nothing more.

They keep calling it an Australian deal. They are going to have to do some explaining when Australia do their deal with the EU.

Very annoyed!

What Macron was asking for was beyond anything a British PM with any self respect would agree to. He was insistent that Britain should have none of the benefits of its membership (fair enough). Yet he also wanted France to continue to have the benefits of Britain's membership. Basically wanting to have his cake and eat it. Wanting French fishing vessels to continue to have fishing rights up to 6 miles of Britain's shore? I think not. Britain was quite prepared to agree to a three year transition period for fishing rights, but not cede them in perpetuity.

The issue is not as you have outlined... he does NOT want to have his cake and eat it. What he wants is:-

IF the UK want to have the benefit of having access to the EU market without restrictions, THEN this is the price.

He is NOT saying "Non - no access for you AND I want access to the fishing area" as you seem to be suggesting....

@Roussette I'm just wondering which one of Rasputin's devoted spouse's media mates it's likely to be...

@DdraigGoch Unfortunately it can get worse and will probably get much worse before it gets better.

One of the things that is about to be brought home to even the most die-hard Brexiteer is that many of the stocks that had been put aside for Brexit have been used up in the pandemic. Add in the fact that many of our medicines, including the raw materials for the few we can make here, are imported; chuck in a few drastically bad harvests around the world; take into account that we can only produce (at best) about 40% of the food we need to feed the population in Britain, and the next few years look even more interesting. In the event of a Biden win we'll almost certainly be left pretty isolated on the world stage.

To be honest, I doubt that a no deal Brexit will create much noticeable disruption. After all, with the continuing damage to the economy from the pandemic, the economy can't be hit much more.

Why can’t it? Are we already at rock bottom, or do the economic effects of Covid and Brexit somehow cancel each other out?

If May had acknowledged the 52/48 split and gone down the EEA route then it would have been so much easier.

But apparently that wasn’t a pure enough Brexit.

May put party above country and sold the country - and the 48% - down the river in the interests of short term (very short term) party unity. The concept of losers’ consent was an anathema to the party so despite every bit of history telling her how important it was, she set out to deliberately alienate nearly half the electorate.

We are fucked because Theresa May decided that keeping the Tory party together was more important than doing what was in the best interests of the country, and took a hardline position that enabled the disaster capitalists to drag it even further to the extreme, rather than meeting in a more sensible centre ground.

At least Johnson never pretended he wasn’t a cunt.

I will never forgive treasonous Brexit fanatics.

Furious here too The Tories are destroying the UK. Boris is morally bankrupt, the Tories are horrifically corrupt. The gap between rich and poor widens daily and Covid plus a no deal Brexit will prove fatal for some and devastating for many. I feel so sad for our kids generation who will have far fewer opportunities than us in a very challenging economic climate. And that's without climate change...

@ssd

We're going to get independence over this. I pity England, stuck with a lifetime of tory governments.

And reunification for Ireland within the decade. The terms of the GFA state that we need 50% +1 for a referendum to be called by the SoS. We will have it.

I'm embarrassed to say I'm British, its been a total shambles from the start and Boris and his band of wassoks are going to walk away smirking, coz they are always ok

After yesterday I am more relieved than ever that DDs and I are EU passport holders.

And yes, the Leavers I know have gone very, very quiet. Cowards that they are.

@Cattenberg

I’m not enjoying the laughing and sneering from Brexiters though, it’s like Derby Day.

To be fair, I haven’t seem much of this lately. It’s all gone very quiet.

I've seen a lot on Facebook. I got into an argument with one last night.

Hint: if you use the term 'Remoaner', do not expect me to take you seriously.

@ToryAldi

The poll is interesting - I wouldn’t have expected many leavers would come on this thread and admit to contributing to or defending this shut show but I’d have expected more to vote against the OP.

I guess their argument is 'but the Remainers would be mean to us so it's a waste of time'.

Wouldn’t they still vote Phil?

This topic and this anger cannot be gone over enough. Boris and co are of course blaming EU for being 'unreasonable' for basically not giving them the perks of EU membership without the responsibilities, which they somehow thought they'd get.

This whole thing was started becuase Cameron arrogantly thought he could solve the Tory euro-feud and everyone would obviously vote to Remain. And all this shit just from intra-party bickering.

COVID-19 fallout is bad enough, but the start of next year will be appalling. My family and I will be OK, we have a lot of financial buffer, we can afford shopping costs going up (I actually don't think we'll have long term food shortage, but it's all going to get much more expensive), but this is going to totally crush many households.

And our COVID response will be utterly wrecked by this - even if there is a vaccine during next year, I'll bet that trading issues and the govt having to frantically fire-fight Brexit issue would make getting, making and distributing one much harder, so we'll have to sit and watch other countries and economies moving towards normality while these clowns can't even get started on distributing it. Truly making ourselves a more of a useless backwater than we are now - the whole thing was based on a bollocks Imperial idea that the world is about Who Is The Best, and not about Cooperation.

Yes, I'm a tad cross.

@Harriedharriet - yes, I think this gov is eyeing the chance to 'become more competitive and productive' by removing workers' right, despite the fact this doesn't improve productivity at all.

NB, though I will add the EU was not the originator or the guardian off all rights and most of them did originate with the UK. But the gov will use 'throwing off the shackles of the EU' to reinforce their reasoning for removing them.

Anybody who voted Tory in 2019 owns this

Anybody who voted Tory in 2017 owns this

Anybody who voted Leave in 2016 owns this

and those of us who did not
will never forgive you
until the UK is back in a stable free market trade deal with the EU

Yes, the silence is deafening just now. You'd think brexiters'd be singing the praises of disaster capitalism and economic suicide but instead, crickets. It's as though they want the rest of us to forget this is on them.

The Daily Express is still cheering No Deal Brexit.

And the Sun as well.