Westminstenders: Prepare for what we said would never happen

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I think that there may be a run on tinned tomatoes and pasta coming. Pizza will no longer have mozzarella in 2021.

On the plus side turnips are in season.

@SabrinaThwaite

I always enter a country on whichever one is quicker, regardless of which one I use to buy my ticket.

Assume you use your blue passport to enter the US though?

Don't US laws require you to use your US passport to enter the US if you hold one ?

That’s what I thought - a friend who has both Irish and US nationalities had a row about flying from the UK to the US via Shannon on the “wrong” passport, but that may be complicated by pre-clearing US immigration at Shannon?

Don't US laws require you to use your US passport to enter the US if you hold one ?
Yup, but I know for a fact that Yanks born abroad have got away with using their "other" passport for years without Homeland noticing.

Tricky when the biometric brings up place of birth as being in the US
but their records are nearly as poor as the UK's

(and it will get worse when countries like the UK leave the information sharing systems)

Sabrina
Assuming your friend was born in the US, they will have spotted it.
If they were born in Ireland, the only way they would have kicked up a stink is if something was said while near an immigration officer.

Its one of the funny anomalies of FATCA that it only catches those with US Social Security numbers
as those who were not born there - and have birth certificates instead - are not on their radar.
Bureaucratic competence and all that
maybe Priti has been taking notes

Yeah, I think she was Born in the USA (will have that running through my head now).

Not sure why the US are so pernickity ... maybe they think they have more of a hold over you if you identify as a US citizen ? I know some more extreme commentators would love the constitution to only apply to citizens, not damn foreigners. (Or is that UK ? I'm easily confused at times)

The advise I have always been told - officially - is if you travel you need to always use the same passport on the same trip..... in real this is impossible. I was nearly not allowed to get on my plane in NZ , on my NZ passport to fly home to the UK as I didn't have a visa. I had to fly out on my UK passport - even though I had flown down on my NZ....

DGR
Not sure why the US are so pernickity ... maybe they think they have more of a hold over you if you identify as a US citizen ?
Americans owe tax on all of their earnings anywhere in the world even if already taxed elsewhere.
The US is almost the only country to make those with no US earnings to file US returns

MrsL
Oh the rules on visas are surreal.
I have abused them in the past and will do so in future.
As have family and friends.
Its one of those rules that only really applies to the little people in the words of Leona Helmsley

Americans owe tax on all of their earnings anywhere in the world even if already taxed elsewhere

Hence Johnson getting taxed on capital gains from a house sale, and him renouncing US citizenship on the back of it?

Hence Johnson getting taxed on capital gains from a house sale, and him renouncing US citizenship on the back of it?
Yup

In the US there is no exemption on capital gains on the first home - the the flipping tricks used by UK MPs and rich UK residents
do not work with the IRS

Interesting diversion.
I was trying to find a video that explained UK import paperwork for traders from the EU

• it being only a few days away after all.

I could find Indian and Chinese ones
but the only one mentioning the EU was so crap I had to click out.

Surely SOMEBODY in HM Gov realises that a "step by step" idiots guide to the C88 and T2 would be a good idea ....

maybe I should , and monetise it

I too will miss Bigchoc’s wise words and I wish her well.

Senior, respected, Tory who voted against FSM on Wednesday, is having second thoughts. Must now realise it’s a very bad look.

FREE SCHOOL MEALS
Yes Gov has provided an extra £9bn to help vulnerable families & £63m more to councils.
But holiday FSM provision is clearly well received - a simple and practical vehicle to spt families.
Let’s re-visit how additional welfare funding is spent & support FSMs.

mobile.twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1319926275537076224

Toby Ellwood has a soul.
Not sure how he stays in the current Tory party.

The government has also chosen to screw over schools on providing learning to the needy
www.theguardian.com/education/2020/oct/24/englands-schools-to-receive-fewer-laptops-for-distance-learning

Yes LQ this headteacher was furious. Another broken promise.

Is someone at the
@educationgovuk
#Dfe having a laugh? Email Fri night during half term...”We are changing the way we are allocating laptops.” YEAHHH I thought until I saw we have been cut from 61 to 13! Absolute jokers -remote learning!I have had it with these numpties #clueless

mobile.twitter.com/chrisdysonHT/status/1319687122505420808

Good slogan in the twitter account though: Starve a kid to save a quid!

Sums it up perfectly for this soundbite government.

Americans owe tax on all of their earnings anywhere in the world even if already taxed elsewhere

Not quite.

The US has tax treaties with various countries which reduce your US tax liability. For example, if you are a US citizen residing and earning in the UK, iirc you only pay US tax on earned income over (I believe) £90k. You can also get an exemption based on tax paid to the foreign government under certain circumstances.

Tobias ellwood is just another self serving tory.

Don't be fooled.

Math
Oh indeed, as with all things there are nuances
but the US is very, very unusual to expect people with no tax relationship with the country to file returns.
I know of a Yank who is a high earner in Europe and after the IRS was forced to provide refunds year after year "invited them" to stop filing at the IRS (as US rates were lower than France!!)

I'll be honest
in an ideal world, all company registers would be fully public and all countries would tax based on domicile days based on the public data.
The records exist.
THe political will is needed
but it could pay for the amelioration of Climate change

...most people that voted for Brexit had no idea about passports and what they were giving up.

Au contraire. They were focused on the only thing that really matters about one's passport - its colour and the decorative motifs and lettering on the cover.

Yes the USA tax system is complicated if you live abroad - my niece and nephew both born in the states but have lived in Nz since they were 10 and 8 - but Bruce has just had to sort out her USA tax situation....

Sorry Bruce = niece 😳

Yes the USA tax system is complicated if you live abroad - my niece and nephew both born in the states but have lived in Nz since they were 10 and 8 - but Bruce has just had to sort out her USA tax situation....

I do both UK and US tax returns
much as I love to bait HMRC, the UK system is infinitely easier to use than the US

My UK tax return is about 10 pages and 20 minutes to complete (once I’ve got my info together).

The US one was about 100 pages and god knows how many hours.

Sabrina
Oh yes.
My UK tax software costs me about £1000 a year but pays for itself in spades.
I looked into a US equivalent (I classify as a CPA so could get the discount) and the cost benefit was just not worth it
so I mangled through spreadsheets and FreeFillableForms
Blech