Westminstenders: Prepare for what we said would never happen

[RedToothBrush]

I think that there may be a run on tinned tomatoes and pasta coming. Pizza will no longer have mozzarella in 2021.

On the plus side turnips are in season.

I am sorry that BCF has left, their posts were interesting and informative. It can get very murky on mumsnet, not everyone is on here to be supportive and share their perspectives. If it is getting to you it is right to withdraw.

Brilliant idea, DGR

You see if I were an EU negotiator, I would damn well make sure that was the proposal, safe in the knowledge that it could never ever be reported in any English newspaper - certainly not by teamUK

And that is why neither you nor I would make a good negotiator here

But to be bumped out of the EU queue at Immigration is yet another PIA which I doubt many Brexiteers considered.

I look forward to using my EU passport in, and my UK passport out.

and don't get me started on the 90 days in 180 rule which we may have to abide by.

I spent 135 days in the EU last summer ....
those days may be gone for ever.

@OchonAgusOchonO

You see if I were an EU negotiator, I would damn well make sure that was the proposal, safe in the knowledge that it could never ever be reported in any English newspaper - certainly not by teamUK

And that is why neither you nor I would make a good negotiator here

I don't know - surely there is some room for character ?

It appears that BigChoc is safely chatting to enough of us on email that we will not lose her viewpoint and gym tips

LeClerc is readying himself for the long haul in rural France

Re Passports
I always enter a country on whichever one is quicker, regardless of which one I use to buy my ticket.
Sooner or later the countries will realise that there are multiples of me stacked up, but its not happened yet

If Brits were really so dumb as to think they would still be able to use the locals queue
they deserve what is coming.

I was hoping to try out my maroon one to see if the chip inside it works still - or doesn't it work like that?

Those who voted for Brexit, or are now singing the praises of No Deal deserve to queue for hours.

If Brits were really so dumb as to think they would still be able to use the locals queue they deserve what is coming.

I'd wager a majority had no idea. And I still think it's nonsense to try and frame that as a failure of the Remain campaign. The Leave campaign was amplified on steroids thanks to the partisan MSM so anything Remainers tried to point out was either "project fear" or a more condescending "we managed in 1972, you know".

Still, at least people are going to get to see what 1972 was like. Shit as I recall. Although I am seriously impressed at the herculean efforts of the power companies to span the years and line up for power cuts too. We'll get to see how warm nostalgia can keep you in a controlled experiment. Who knows - maybe Leavers will prove they're right and food and light and heat are for wusses ?

I don't know - surely there is some room for character ?

Unfortunately not when you're dealing with a tantruming toddler.

We all know the Leave campaign was cakeism and Brexit was mostly won on a bed of resentment and antipathy. That does not make for well-thought-out negotiating strategy.

By all accounts the Dido testing operation is on its knees. All the young scientists who volunteered at the start wanting to make a difference have fed back that their Experience was not a good one, treated as commodities their expertise was ignored. Business metrics on cost and efficiency were put ahead of The scientific ones on safety and effectiveness (including data management) . Even so the government continues to commandeer the supply of the new advanced machines. It has finally called on the public labs to help but they have reached capacity. They have the scientists ready and willing to volunteer within a professional scientific organisation but they can’t get hold of the machines.

This isn’t even good private sector business practise.

Did anyone see the Head of Serco on Peston? Another corpulent stale Male of the establishment (And a Soames at that) showing a complete lack of concern for the consequences and crying “fake news“ when challenged on their contact tracing performance. You really could not make it up.

We are Burma now, just with a posh accent.

I can offer insight into the stinginess and lack of empathy amongst the public school elite, from close personal experience, especially those who went through the system in the 60s and 70s. From the age of 7 they were crammed into cold dormitories that reeked of urine and fed a diet of cheap meat and cabbage. Pastoral care was non existent and bullying was the norm and not a few of them were abused, either sexually or violently. What are the long term effects of abuse? Men block out the painful emotions by focusing on reaching the top in whatever their chosen career and by being overly controlling of their environment, relationships and finances. They lack empathy because they are too busy keeping their own emotions suppressed to spare any for anyone else. They are often abusers themselves, and self medicate with drugs and alcohol. Ring any bells?

Are the government offering to let EU nationals use the fast lane when entering the UK?

And though his trauma was the result of war Tolkien is one of the textbook examples....

From the age of 7 they were crammed into cold dormitories that reeked of urine and fed a diet of cheap meat and cabbage. Pastoral care was non existent and bullying was the norm and not a few of them were abused, either sexually or violently.

Is there more hope now then for the younger generations, now that full boarding and sending boys away at seven is considerably less popular than it was?

@FatCatThinCat

Are the government offering to let EU nationals use the fast lane when entering the UK?

Yes it looked like it, to be fair.

The government seem to have assumed that they would 'give' the EU stuff that actually works best for the UK too (cheaper for us to wave through EU citizens than make them queue), and expect the EU to give us whatever we want in return.

But if the (WM) Government "let" EU nationals use the "fast" lane, how are they going to be able to impose the more strict entry criteria that they've said will apply to them, such as no-one convicted of serious offences? Especially if the UK Border Force no longer has access to the EU database?

I can offer insight into the stinginess and lack of empathy amongst the public school elite, from close personal experience, especially those who went through the system in the 60s and 70s. From the age of 7 they were crammed into cold dormitories that reeked of urine and fed a diet of cheap meat and cabbage. Pastoral care was non existent and bullying was the norm and not a few of them were abused, either sexually or violently. What are the long term effects of abuse? Men block out the painful emotions by focusing on reaching the top in whatever their chosen career and by being overly controlling of their environment, relationships and finances. They lack empathy because they are too busy keeping their own emotions suppressed to spare any for anyone else. They are often abusers themselves, and self medicate with drugs and alcohol. Ring any bells?

Coincidentally, I was listening to an Adam Buxton podcast with Laura Marling yesterday. She mentioned she'd been reading a book 'Wounded Leaders' on just this subject. It's a bit pricey on Amazon which is annoying as sounds a good read.

...Going to really bloody miss her...as silly as it sounds for someone i dont know....she has kept things going around here...

I'll echo Red's feelings as well as what others have said. In fact, I'll widen that out in how I'd miss all of you, which sounds silly for a group of people I've never met. Yet, I would miss hearing all of your intelligent analysis, thoughts, information and views.

Together it provides quite a comprehensive picture of what is happening / is likely to happen come January 1st because you are all so well informed as a group of pragmatic and and realistic Remainers. My circle of friends and acquaintances IRL tend to be much more distanced from what's happening including those who voted to BeLeave.

This is where I come for my sanity check and often dark humour i.e. It's not just me who thinks leaving the EU was insane or that pursuing No Deal scenario is even greater insanity and that our politicians are seemingly a corrupt bunch.

prettybird

Same way they're going to give £350m/week to the NHS.

Is there more hope now then for the younger generations, now that full boarding and sending boys away at seven is considerably less popular than it was?

Well the Boarding schools would argue they provide a more nurturing environment now. The day private schools are more popular but that means a more ruthless and competitive admissions process, especially for parents who treat it as a measure of their own status, and that brings its own set of traumas.......

True CrunchyNutNC

So what are the very expensive consultants in Dido Harding's team doing wit themselves all day ?
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/24/pub-and-restaurant-check-in-data-hardly-used-by-englands-health-officials

It really does not bode well for the last minute panic that will come for Customs Clearance clerks
does it !

I always enter a country on whichever one is quicker, regardless of which one I use to buy my ticket.

Assume you use your blue passport to enter the US though?

Sabrina
Indeed, but I know people with them who were not born there who manage to travel on their other ones.
Its amazing how much we are told they check but they clearly do not.

Remember that the UK has a 15 year gap in its entry and exit stamp records