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Westminstenders: The Tunnel or Bridge

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 06/10/2020 15:18

Apparently negotiations are in the black hole of the EU tunnel or should that be on the back of the fantasy of the Boris Bridge?

Another week closer to complete meltdown.

I'm guessing that our world beating customs solution will be based on blackboard and chalk.

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dontcallmelen · 07/10/2020 10:08

[quote borntobequiet]@mathanxiety - I always appreciate your unique take on things on these threads. The double US/Irish perspective is very interesting. My own family is Irish and has branches in the UK and US, though I’ve lost contact with many American cousins over time.
Your thoughtful and informed views put into sharp contrast the scattergun and superficial postings of certain others.[/quote]
Yy, same here most of my family split between Ireland & the U.K. & a couple of cousins in the US.

Clavinova · 07/10/2020 10:19

What a long running saga this is turning out to be - my original post was on Friday.

prettybird
on topics other than Brexit

Topics other than Brexit??!! You do surprise me.

Real life experience

mathanxiety didn't like my "real life" experience either ("too vague") - even though she asked me what I knew...

"I do know a little about the Irish Leaving Cert - I have several friends in Ireland with teenage/young adult dc - although none were due to sit their Leaving Cert this year - unlike my own ds1 who received his A- level results in August." ....

"Irish school leavers generally sit exams in 7 subjects (their best 6 are counted - I think) - English, Maths and Irish are compulsory subjects although students can follow courses at a higher or lower level depending on their strengths and weaknesses" ... "My Irish friends talk about their dc scoring 500/600 points etc. Private tutoring is rife and many/most dc aiming for popular courses attend 'grinds' (private lessons) on Saturdays leading up to the exams."

googled C&Ps

Have you told BigChoc her C&Ps give you a headache? She might cut them down a bit for you.

mathanxiety

It's a bit rich you taking offence at my (rather tame/"tongue-in-cheek") remark considering your tone towards me:

"Regardless of knowing you knew very little about the process, you introduced the subject as if your comment had a factual basis, or relevance".
"your vague reply" ... "is what I expected."
"Looks as if you are still chipping in with unasked for advice"

Some observers might think you were being a little hypocritical referring to my "snide comment". My comment was actually meant in jest - yours were not.

the rules of the game on here

I was of course alluding to the special criteria (reserved just for me) regarding what topics I was allowed to introduce on this board. I mentioned you because you posted a detailed account on university admissions in Ireland - despite claiming the subject had no relevance on here.

Somewhat ironic that in your last post you asked me to consider "nuance" - "nuance" has gone right over your head.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/10/2020 10:28

C&Ps need to be relevant to the discussion, not of squirrels 🐿 collected from around the world,
posted merely to divert attention from yet more Tory fuckup

We know what you are doing

BigChocFrenzy · 07/10/2020 10:35

Brexit: deal, no deal, bad no deal

https://www.global-counsel.com/sites/default/files/2020-10/20201006%20Brexit%20negotiations%20by%20DD.pdf

Despite parliamentary rumbles of discontent, Mr Johnson’s stock of political capital is still considerable.
He knows the landing zone for agreement.

With the possible exception of fisheries, no opposition from within his parliamentary party, and certainly his cabinet, would stop him getting it through.

Equally, no one can stop him if he decides not to reach an agreement.
The choice is his alone.
< and the blame >

An agreement will fall short of his advisers’ ideal Brexit:
it would probably mean some small constraint on the UK’s future policy options.
He will also consider the costs of no agrrement

The important point here is that there are in fact two no agreement scenarios:

There is the simple failure to agree a free trade agreement

If the UK fulfils its legal obligations under the Withdrawal Agreement, including the Northern Ireland protocol, this could be a relatively amicable disagreement.
There should be a range of narrow bilateral agreements to allow basic co-operation, for instance on flights,
and some positive equivalence decisions would not be inconceivable.

On this basis, the economic relationship might, over time, be built back up.

The second is a disorderly breakdown in which the UK is seen by the EU to be in breach of its legal obligations.

Given the provisions breaching the Northern Ireland protocol in the Internal Market bill and the pledged measure on tariffs in the forthcoming finance bill,
this is where the UK and the EU are currently heading if there is no free trade agreement.

In this scenario there are likely to be no bilateral agreements and little cooperation for some time.

DGRossetti · 07/10/2020 10:39

@BigChocFrenzy

Tom Newton Dunnn@tnewtondunn*

Twelve Tory MPs voted against the Government tonight in the motion to approve the Rule of 6 - including the chair and vice chair the 1922 Committee,
Graham Brady and Charles Walker.

Others abstained.

Rebels say many more will when 10pm curfew vote comes, expected next week.

Yeah, of course they will.
Clavinova · 07/10/2020 10:43

BigChocFrenzy
We know what you are doing

We??
The members of this private forum? Is it a closed shop?

BigChocFrenzy · 07/10/2020 10:58

#NastyPartySquirrel 🐿
Scroll on by the Tory 🐿 🎶🎵🎵🎶

BigChocFrenzy · 07/10/2020 10:59

Yep, DG Evidence to date is all wind, no balls or ovaries

BigChocFrenzy · 07/10/2020 11:02

Test and Trace chief Dido Harding breaks promise to stay neutral and backs Tory immigration plan

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/test-trace-chief-dido-harding-22802164

She had been criticised by MPs and peers for following the party whip despite her role as a senior public office holder.

OchonAgusOchonO · 07/10/2020 11:02

@Clavinova

What a long running saga this is turning out to be - my original post was on Friday.

prettybird
on topics other than Brexit

Topics other than Brexit??!! You do surprise me.

Real life experience

mathanxiety didn't like my "real life" experience either ("too vague") - even though she asked me what I knew...

"I do know a little about the Irish Leaving Cert - I have several friends in Ireland with teenage/young adult dc - although none were due to sit their Leaving Cert this year - unlike my own ds1 who received his A- level results in August." ....

"Irish school leavers generally sit exams in 7 subjects (their best 6 are counted - I think) - English, Maths and Irish are compulsory subjects although students can follow courses at a higher or lower level depending on their strengths and weaknesses" ... "My Irish friends talk about their dc scoring 500/600 points etc. Private tutoring is rife and many/most dc aiming for popular courses attend 'grinds' (private lessons) on Saturdays leading up to the exams."

googled C&Ps

Have you told BigChoc her C&Ps give you a headache? She might cut them down a bit for you.

mathanxiety

It's a bit rich you taking offence at my (rather tame/"tongue-in-cheek") remark considering your tone towards me:

"Regardless of knowing you knew very little about the process, you introduced the subject as if your comment had a factual basis, or relevance".
"your vague reply" ... "is what I expected."
"Looks as if you are still chipping in with unasked for advice"

Some observers might think you were being a little hypocritical referring to my "snide comment". My comment was actually meant in jest - yours were not.

the rules of the game on here

I was of course alluding to the special criteria (reserved just for me) regarding what topics I was allowed to introduce on this board. I mentioned you because you posted a detailed account on university admissions in Ireland - despite claiming the subject had no relevance on here.

Somewhat ironic that in your last post you asked me to consider "nuance" - "nuance" has gone right over your head.

Seeing as we are going back to the leaving cert, I want to again dispute your claim that you answered my question as to what you think the relevance of the story regarding the errors with the leaving cert is to this thread.

You're obviously very capable of going back over threads and c&p'ing them. If, as you claim, you answered my question, then it will be not bother to c&p it in here.

The only conclusion anyone could come to at your repeated coy statements that you have answered the question while providing no c&p evidence to back it up, is that you have not, in fact, answered the question.

I've sure you're heading out now anyway.......

BigChocFrenzy · 07/10/2020 11:04

If the Tories want to retain the votes of their peers in the HoL, then don't give them a public office job:

just remove Harding from her unearned crony jobs and make her a government minister of something or other

UltimateFoole · 07/10/2020 11:24

This...this actually happened. Shock Hancock and Therese Coffey karaoke version of 'Don't Stop Me Now'.

What a song for them to choose just now Confused

Clavinova · 07/10/2020 11:39

OchonAgusOchonO

C&P here;
"I have given you several answers already - and indirectly via my replies to other posters. However, perhaps another line of thought" ...

"You can like it or lump it??"

BigChocFrenzy · 07/10/2020 11:43

BBC Newsnightt@BBCNewsnight*

“Here’s a flavour of the mood amongst Tory MPs…

Tory MPs are saying, ‘We have gone from eat out to help out to drink up and piss off.’”

Whenwillow · 07/10/2020 11:48

Haha @UltimateFoole I just heard that on Newscast. I laughed in spite of myself! Along with Ian Duncan Smith jovially blaming all and sundry for cock ups and saying that nobody could possibly have foreseen what would happen this year. Wasn't there once some sort of pandemic research/provision that was abandoned by the govt not so many years ago?

DGRossetti · 07/10/2020 11:54

@Whenwillow

Haha *@UltimateFoole* I just heard that on Newscast. I laughed in spite of myself! Along with Ian Duncan Smith jovially blaming all and sundry for cock ups and saying that nobody could possibly have foreseen what would happen this year. Wasn't there once some sort of pandemic research/provision that was abandoned by the govt not so many years ago?
As far as I am concerned anyone who says "this could never have been foreseen" is a bit dim and not worth further investment of conversation with.

When you get to my age, you need some quick rules to maximise the time left. Hence my efficiency of cynicism philosophy. I didn't need to read a single sentence about the T&T farrago to know it was going to be a clusterfuck of epic proportions. Much better use of my time to sort out the spare room.

OchonAgusOchonO · 07/10/2020 11:56

@Clavinova

OchonAgusOchonO

C&P here;
"I have given you several answers already - and indirectly via my replies to other posters. However, perhaps another line of thought" ...

"You can like it or lump it??"

Which again, does not include the answer to my question.

Any responses you have given have been a deflection, rather than an answer.

Ah well, maybe you c&p powers are limited to non sequiturs.

Clavinova · 07/10/2020 11:58

OchonAgusOchonO

Well ok - I've just looked at advanced search - you claim to be a university lecturer living in Ireland - I thought it would interest you.

OchonAgusOchonO · 07/10/2020 12:07

@Clavinova

OchonAgusOchonO

Well ok - I've just looked at advanced search - you claim to be a university lecturer living in Ireland - I thought it would interest you.

Unless you've a time machine, stalking my posts now isn't really a valid reason for a post made last week. Also, given I'm a university lecturer in Ireland, there's a fair chance I might have heard the story without your contribution.

Although that sort of retrospective justification is pretty typical of brexiters' modus operandi.

Are you heading out yet?

Shrillharridan · 07/10/2020 12:18

Oh clavvy wavvy!
You are funny 😄

Clavinova · 07/10/2020 12:19

Are you heading out yet?

Very soon. Grin

stalking my posts

I'm trying to get away from you. Grin

Although that sort of retrospective justification is pretty typical of brexiters' modus operandi.

No doubt you will be patrolling this board 'lecturing' any poster who strays off topic from now on. Don't worry about retrospective action - the others didn't know 'the rules' before.

PolkadotGiraffe · 07/10/2020 12:24

Important date this afternoon @Clavinova?

Clavinova · 07/10/2020 12:31

PolkadotGiraffe

I hear he's lost some weight - where's the 'after' photo? Grin

Actually, my latest 'beau' is Stephen Barclay - just noticed how attractive he is.

OchonAgusOchonO · 07/10/2020 12:35

@Clavinova

Are you heading out yet?

Very soon. Grin

stalking my posts

I'm trying to get away from you. Grin

Although that sort of retrospective justification is pretty typical of brexiters' modus operandi.

No doubt you will be patrolling this board 'lecturing' any poster who strays off topic from now on. Don't worry about retrospective action - the others didn't know 'the rules' before.

I'm trying to get away from you.

A quick answer to my question would have been the simplest way to do that.

No doubt you will be patrolling this board 'lecturing' any poster who strays off topic from now on. Don't worry about retrospective action - the others didn't know 'the rules' before.

I haven't lectured anyone who strayed off topic. I merely asked for clarification the I couldn't see the relevance, particularly as you are most insistent of the relevance.

Clavinova · 07/10/2020 13:03

OchonAgusOchonO

You lost my previous answers.

It seems a bit pointless to ask me the same question a dozen times (regarding a post I made on Friday) - when you think my post was irrelevant to the thread. Just ignore any posts you don't find interesting or relevant - I do.

And with that I am going out - you can waste the rest of your day if you like.

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