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Westminstenders: The Tunnel or Bridge

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RedToothBrush · 06/10/2020 15:18

Apparently negotiations are in the black hole of the EU tunnel or should that be on the back of the fantasy of the Boris Bridge?

Another week closer to complete meltdown.

I'm guessing that our world beating customs solution will be based on blackboard and chalk.

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Legit · 06/10/2020 21:49

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ListeningQuietly · 06/10/2020 21:53

Franke
Re Rosslare ferries

I based my numbers on the beef and dairy trucks from the west and south west for whom Rosslare is the easy bet

FrankieStein402 · 06/10/2020 22:11

Overthinking I know - re the sample data:
The records are for contact tracing so they must contain medical data of identifiable natural persons - meaning they are classed as sensitive personal data.
Sensitive personal data needs to be encrypted in transit and at rest - you don't use csv files and certainly not the old versions of excel that don't support decent encryption.

FrankieStein402 · 06/10/2020 22:15

LQ - a good few years since I've driven in Ireland but the cross routes from the west/south west to Rosslare were not very truck friendly unless you were going via Dublin? (the aforementioned horse-drawn caravans adding considerable rural charm/delay!)

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 06/10/2020 22:16

Thanks red

HoneysuckIejasmine · 06/10/2020 22:25

Pmk

Good to hear from you squid. My endless gratitude to you and your colleagues. I'm so sorry the gov is failing you so badly.

Sostenueto · 06/10/2020 22:40

Pmk. Hospital admissions for Covid up by %25 in one day. Yep second wave here.😢

Sostenueto · 06/10/2020 22:41

Has Johnson's new Bill got through the Lord's yet? ( The one that breaks International law). I write that to remind myself that this Parliament voted to break International law.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2020 22:50

@Sostenueto

Has Johnson's new Bill got through the Lord's yet? ( The one that breaks International law). I write that to remind myself that this Parliament voted to break International law.
..... Nope

It had the 1st reading in the HoL on 30 Septemeber
Date of 2nd reading not yet announced

It has some way to go yet

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2020 22:59

(paywall) The Johnson government should fear Trump, not Biden

Trump is noone's friend and is ruthless in enforcing compliance to his wishes
If you thought he was nasty before ....

https://www.ft.com/content/7fe4c3fa-183a-4f60-b71b-e38ffaf151e1

A second Trump administration would adopt a much more coercive foreign policy towards the UK

.... any quiet longing for a second Trump term in Downing Street, or in the Tory party,
rests on a profound misunderstanding both of British interests
and of the likely nature of another Trump administration.

Talk to people who have worked closely with the US president and you will hear warnings that,
if Mr Trump battles his way back to health and back into the White House,

his second administration would be much more radical in its foreign policy
- and much more coercive towards the UK.

There would be no more tolerance of “gentlemen’s disagreements” over sensitive topics such as Iran, Israel, China, climate change, the International Criminal Court or the World Health Organization.

Instead, the full range of US power would be brought to bear on London - to force the UK into line.

A taste of these tactics came in the recent dispute between the Trump administration and the Johnson government,
over whether Huawei, a Chinese company, should be allowed to supply 5G telecoms to the UK.

When the British announced a deal favourable to Huawei,
the US quickly threatened to curtail intelligence sharing under the “Five Eyes” arrangement.

Unsurprisingly, the Johnson government changed course.

The UK-US intelligence relationship is at the heart of the special relationship.

But there are plenty of other British weaknesses that the US could target.

The UK is vulnerable to the sanctions and tariffs that the Trump administration is increasingly using as its preferred tool in foreign policy disputes.

Those who imagine that Mr Trump would never deploy these tactics against the British are kidding themselves.
.....
Mr Trump’s own relationship with Britain is, in the words of one of his former aides, “remarkably superficial”
and does not extend much beyond an interest in his golf courses and dinners at Buckingham Palace.

There are also plenty of areas of foreign policy where the UK continues to diverge from the current American line,
to the increasingly open irritation of the Trump administration.

When the UK sided with Germany and France in resisting new sanctions on Iran,
Mike Pompeo, US secretary of state, accused it of supporting “the world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism”.

While the Trump administration has embraced America First unilateralism, the UK has remained committed to internationalism.

It has significantly increased funding for the WHO,
in response to the withdrawal of American money.

It is also chairing the next stage of the UN climate talks,
from which the US has withdrawn.

And while the US has imposed sanctions on the ICC’s chief prosecutor,
the UK remains a member of the court.

A second Trump administration, emboldened by retaining the White House, would be much less patient about these policy divergences.

It would demand loyalty from the UK and, if that was not forthcoming, pressure to fall in line could be ramped up quickly.

Some in the Johnson government might regard these indignities as an acceptable price to pay for that elusive trade deal.

But there remain formidable obstacles to the achievement of any deal

  • not least the oft-stated British reluctance to accept American food standards.

Even if an agreement is achieved, it will struggle to get through an increasingly protectionist Congress.

And even if the deal is ratified, the UK’s own estimates of the economic benefits are unimpressive.

DrBlackbird · 06/10/2020 23:21

PMK

I've noticed that it's a frequent tactic of brexiteers to answer a question different to the one being asked. University students often do this as well. In the case of the latter it's because they haven't sufficiently engaged with or understand the subject material to formulate an answer.

Btw, the freshers I've been talking to this week all seem bright eyed and bushy tailed despite being in quarantine. Not a snowflake ❄️ in sight.

OchonAgusOchonO · 06/10/2020 23:33

I've noticed that it's a frequent tactic of brexiteers to answer a question different to the one being asked.

And when challenged, insist they answered.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/10/2020 00:27

Cabinet split over tougher lockdown measures

  • well we've known for months there's a split on Covid strategy and BJ is in the minority of wanting even current measures
Westminstenders: The Tunnel or Bridge
BigChocFrenzy · 07/10/2020 00:30

(FT paywall) NHS labs hit by shortage of vital kit and chemicals for Covid tests

Systems everywhere are under strain with Covid
We can see how reliant we all are on everything working properly and on supplies of a thousand things we need being delivered on time

https://www.ft.com/content/aa48893b-9c90-4701-b317-67bda727bbda

NHS labs across the country that process Covid-19 tests have been hit by shortages of vital chemicals and kit used to test for a range of diseases
following a problem at one of Europe’s biggest pharmaceutical companies.

The Swiss pharma giant Roche

  • one of the biggest suppliers of the machines, chemicals and equipment used to process Covid-19 tests by NHS labs across the UK - wrote to labs on Monday alerting them to the disruption.

It blamed an issue at a new “automated warehouse” which had caused “a very significant drop in our processing capacity”.

The Roche letters have already sent shockwaves through the NHS.
Clinicians fear the situation will exacerbate existing shortages in supplies of diagnostics equipment, both for coronavirus and other diseases.

Allan Wilson, president of the Institute of Biomedical Science, said Roche had been “unable to fulfil a broad range of orders across the testing range”, 

including Covid-19 diagnostics as well as those needed to determine courses of treatment for cancer patients.

“The slightly scary thing is we don't have an end date to it yet,” he added.

“If this isn’t fixed within days there would be an impact on our ability to do not just Covid testing but a broad range of lab testing.”

TheABC · 07/10/2020 01:02

I know this is UK-focused, but it's hard not to watch the bonfire on the other side of the Atlantic. Trump has halted stimulus talks (presumably that is a popular move just before an election) and put half of the top brass in Covid quarantine through his WH super spreader events.

I suspect it's deflection, combined with impatience for the job and total disregard for anyone else. But it's still Darwin in action...

BigChocFrenzy · 07/10/2020 02:51

Tom Newton Dunnn@tnewtondunn*

Twelve Tory MPs voted against the Government tonight in the motion to approve the Rule of 6 - including the chair and vice chair the 1922 Committee,
Graham Brady and Charles Walker.

Others abstained.

Rebels say many more will when 10pm curfew vote comes, expected next week.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/10/2020 02:52

Tom Newton Dunnn@tnewtondunn

Truly horrendous covid incidence rates across Northern cities today:

529/100k in Manchester 405/100k in Newcastle, 516/100k in Liverpool.

A dire decision to be made by Govt now - does it shut down hospitality/leisure across the Red Wall, while keeping it open in the south?

BigChocFrenzy · 07/10/2020 02:54

Allegations that he is still suffering from long covid are “seditious” untruths,
probably put out by Remainers in a plot to reverse Brexit, Johnson says.
😂😂
"Seditious" though is Confused

mathanxiety · 07/10/2020 04:37

PMK

FYI to @Clavinova -

Although she lives in the US - perhaps she doesn't understand the rules of the game on here

I suspect I have an advantage over you when it comes to the Irish Leaving Cert, university applications and admissions, and the current issues, since I am Irish, educated in Ireland, and have nephews, nieces, and sundry other relatives involved in this year's Leaving Cert, along with the children of many friends.

As to your half-baked, semi-articulate, snide comment on 'the rules on here' - the resentment of an opinion backed up by facts is clear.

Fwiw, I've been on MN since c 2009, and Brexit-related issues cross my desk daily.

AuldAlliance · 07/10/2020 07:51

PMK

Westminstenders: The Tunnel or Bridge
borntobequiet · 07/10/2020 07:56

@mathanxiety - I always appreciate your unique take on things on these threads. The double US/Irish perspective is very interesting. My own family is Irish and has branches in the UK and US, though I’ve lost contact with many American cousins over time.
Your thoughtful and informed views put into sharp contrast the scattergun and superficial postings of certain others.

prettybird · 07/10/2020 08:10

I too always enjoy mathanxiety's posts and know she's been on MN for years Smile I don't always agree with her Wink, but that's usually on topics other than Brexit Grin

I've learnt a lot from her informed contributions and enjoy reading them Wink

Real life experience illustrated with appropriate links always trumps ignorant googled C&Ps Wink

AuldAlliance · 07/10/2020 08:16

What prettybird and borntobequiet said. With bells on.

Singasonga · 07/10/2020 08:56

@FrankieStein402

Overthinking I know - re the sample data: The records are for contact tracing so they must contain medical data of identifiable natural persons - meaning they are classed as sensitive personal data. Sensitive personal data needs to be encrypted in transit and at rest - you don't use csv files and certainly not the old versions of excel that don't support decent encryption.
Not overthinking at all. In most gov contracts concerning health or law enforcement, this is pretty basic stuff. Lots of projects don't get off the ground at all for to data security reasons.

Something odd has happened here, and it's not actually helpful to have it waved away as "Oh, gov IT is all incompetent anyway." Did someone, high up, decided that the speed of delivery justified the insecure data transfer/lack of checking the data record load/etc? And then refused interations? Hmm

prettybird · 07/10/2020 09:25

The impact of Roche's warehouse glitch on testing capabilities illustrates how distribution problems can have a significant - and potentially lethal - cascade effect. Sad

That's just one company and before any additional distribution problems brought on the country by Brexit Shock

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