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Westminstenders: The Tunnel or Bridge

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RedToothBrush · 06/10/2020 15:18

Apparently negotiations are in the black hole of the EU tunnel or should that be on the back of the fantasy of the Boris Bridge?

Another week closer to complete meltdown.

I'm guessing that our world beating customs solution will be based on blackboard and chalk.

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Arborea · 10/10/2020 22:06

I found this thread a powerful read - and wish that more MPs would articulate examples of local firms who are missing out on the opportunity to bid for similar contracts. I must admit to being surprised that more people aren't furious about this - it's in the same league of deplorable conduct as Dominic Cummings' antics in May imho: twitter.com/Bill_Esterson/status/1314644083122503680

SabrinaThwaite · 10/10/2020 22:24

I can’t decide if the Sunday Torygraph is being serious or not.

When did Blackadder stop being a comedy and starting becoming reality?

Westminstenders: The Tunnel or Bridge
BigChocFrenzy · 10/10/2020 22:40

"However France is currently refusing to accept such immigrants back into the country - resulting in delays to implementing the new tactic"
😂🤦🏻‍♀️

Without the agreement of France to accept the return of these migrants, it doesn't matter what kind of "Dad's Navy" scheme Commodore Baldrick dreams up

The key step is obtaining the agreement of France, but if France don't legally have to and are very pissed off with the UK .....

... maybe catch all the Brexshitter Cabinet ministers in a net and dump them on Ascension Island

HoneysuckIejasmine · 11/10/2020 08:19

I feel the UK is going going to have a rude awakening about how important it is and how much everyone hates us Hmm if only gov could see it now.

TheABC · 11/10/2020 08:42

Looking at the examples of corrupt procurement and waste, is there anything in the Parliamentary handbook to prevent this? Just why is there no uproar over it?

prettybird · 11/10/2020 08:48

It's called an 80 seat majority and new Conservative MPs chosen for craven loyalty and obedience to the party "getting Brexit done" Sad

And Fuck everything else Angry

Peregrina · 11/10/2020 08:51

There are rules about procurement - Jolyon Maughan QC is planning to take them to Court over at least one of the procurements. Will it do any good, with a Government which prorogues Parliament illegally, threw out the decent members of the Party and now is full of placemen and women who happily vote to break international law?

Probably not, but at least he will be seen to have tried and (eventually) be on the right side of history.

Yogatomorrow · 11/10/2020 09:22

Thanks for that thread. It is really important that this is exposed.

I hate the cynical, world-weary "well what would you expect" response. I am shocked and so angry. It is disgusting corruption that makes me feel so impotent and helpless.

Peregrina · 11/10/2020 09:24

I agree there Yoga. What do we do? Keep chipping away is my only answer.

ListeningQuietly · 11/10/2020 12:33

The NAO is doing reports on the contract procurement.
They will be messy.

I've lifted my spuds so I'll have a good Christmas dinner no matter what Grin

TheElementsOfMedical · 11/10/2020 13:10

Procurement? What's that? These days we have proper patriotic ToryBrexitannianNationalPlague naked corruption Hmm

Emilyontmoor · 11/10/2020 14:09

Remember those refugee camps in Years and Years? Obviously gave our glorious Home Secretary an idea (and a role model) www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/11/revealed-the-squalor-inside-ex-mod-camps-being-used-to-house-refugees?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Wikingman · 11/10/2020 17:05

@HoneysuckIejasmine

I feel the UK is going going to have a rude awakening about how important it is and how much everyone hates us Hmm if only gov could see it now.
We don`t hate you. But this tory goverment is.....hrmmm.....arrh. Im trying to describe this goverments actions in the brexshit negotiations without using the word CLUSTERFUCK.
quiteathome · 11/10/2020 17:33

I don't know if I have the mental strength to get through any more of this. Although I don't have a choice. Between Brexit and Covid I am struggling today. Sometimes I think the answer is just to stop listening and stop reading like so many people have done.

However, the NHS track and trace thinks I am in Costa until midnight. Ha, I am not there anymore, I am at home.

Meuniere · 11/10/2020 18:29

Contact-tracing data harvested from pubs and restaurants being sold on

www.anti-empire.com/contact-tracing-data-harvested-from-pubs-and-restaurants-being-sold-on/
(Original article in the Times)

Despite the title, it’s not the app that is the issue but the way companies handle the information originally meant for track and trace...

Meuniere · 11/10/2020 18:35

Also This will be the last COVID-19 surveillance report, as of 8 October 2020, the information in this report will be published in a combined Weekly flu and COVID-19 Surveillance Report on GOV.UK

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/923668/Weekly_COVID19_Surveillance_Report_week_40.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3fRaiQRisnR8LstW8WlrhOebY1LtH6tBtSnWN3dYPwaT5YgoZCsb81LdM

So basically we won’t have a clue about how the virus is doing.
This is despite the fact the flu has never been recorded as a cause of death before and was calculated instead.

Meanwhile, the WHO now insists that lockdowns are a bad idea. Just when the government is going to explain its new lockdown system...
www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-who-backflips-on-virus-stance-by-condemning-lockdowns/news-story/f2188f2aebff1b7b291b297731c3da74#.7daqw

TheABC · 11/10/2020 18:35

@Meuniere

Contact-tracing data harvested from pubs and restaurants being sold on

www.anti-empire.com/contact-tracing-data-harvested-from-pubs-and-restaurants-being-sold-on/
(Original article in the Times)

Despite the title, it’s not the app that is the issue but the way companies handle the information originally meant for track and trace...

This was what I originally thought would happen when the posters went up. It's not exactly going to help compliance rates!
BigChocFrenzy · 11/10/2020 18:49

Not really a U-turn; the situation has radically changed from march, but some countries haven't caught up

There is a big difference between using lockdown as an emergency measure to gain time when a "novel" and dnagerous virus first becomes pandemic

and continuing to use it as a blunt instrument because a government has wasted the time due to incompetence and cronyism

Lockdown should be reserved as an emergency measure only.

Everyday use means compliance will be seriously reduced if there actually is an emergency situation sometime this winter
However, it should really be avoidable, because the 2nd wave still looks more manageable than the first, also with far better knowledge tools to handle it

There is also a big difference in which countries should even consider lockdown:

Lockdowns are probably only suitable for developed economies, with large elderly populations at higher risk, and which can financially support workers laid off and support businesses to continue

A developing country with a much younger population and with many other causes of high deaths probably can't afford to lockdown or have the same need.

They would suffer far worse consequences of lockdown than Western countries:
with starvation, malnutrition, millions of mid-teen girls never returning to school ...

BigChocFrenzy · 11/10/2020 18:52

However, totally ignoring Covid doesn't work either, which is what the populist leader of Brazil - an emerging, not developing country - did,
with dreadful consequences in Manaus

SD measures should be commensurate both with the resources available and the scale of the danger

Meuniere · 11/10/2020 18:56

Continual lockdowns are not the answer to bringing Covid under control
Devi Sridhar

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/10/continual-local-lockdowns-answer-covid-control

I like Devi Sridhar. Her opinions are usually balanced and based on research rather than emotions..

ListeningQuietly · 11/10/2020 18:57

@quiteathome
We all have days when we feel overwhelmed.
I do at least once a month.
One of my friends has been in the news having lost their business and their dreams.
My family's plans and income
have been turned upside down by Brexit, austerity and COVID
BUT
Hiding from it will not make it go away

I destress in my garden and the swimming pool and the yoga studio
then I come back angrier and stronger

Meuniere · 11/10/2020 18:58

The bottom line is simple though. The country needs a strong track and trace system.

That’s what is going to protect the elderly.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/10/2020 18:59

oops ...

Peter Foster@pmdfoster (FT)

A third of businesses still believe the #Brexitt* transition period will be extended says @cabinetofficeukk* perm sec

  • this has always been big issue with preps:
however good they are, they must be communicated effectively to business /1

https://ft.com/content/7dedbcbc-928e-43b8-bee9-b095ac050887

Westminstenders: The Tunnel or Bridge
BigChocFrenzy · 11/10/2020 19:01

@Meuniere

The bottom line is simple though. The country needs a strong track and trace system.

That’s what is going to protect the elderly.

.... One led and staffed by trained professionals Not a Tory crony leading NMW staff with an hour of online training - set up for 12 billion, iirc ?
ListeningQuietly · 11/10/2020 19:03

The bottom line is simple though. The country needs a strong track and trace system. That’s what is going to protect the elderly
NOPE
Because the UK has a dysfunctional underfunded care system
and an underfunded NHS
and 80,000 staff vacancies in the NHS
and underfunded and unsupported local health teams

Telling people to stay at home is bollocks if they cannot afford to.

Locking students in their rooms if they are sent food parcels of haribo and potnoodle (check the instagram) is criminal