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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2020 14:38

The government have FINALLY started to treat no deal brexit and covid as one entity in terms of fucking the economy.

On the one hand you have one camp who think they can sneak No Deal through as a consequence of Covid. On the other you have people who realise that it might be quite a good idea not to doubly screw your entire economy and to continue to be able to import medical supplies freely.

We now no that No Deal Brexit will involve passports to get into Kent and 7 mile queues of trucks because this has passed the lips of Gove. Y'know one of those who has been denying this for the past 4 years and presenting it as 'scaremongering'.

We are now firmly into the end game where businesses have to make plans based on the government plans and technology. Y'know the ones that aren't complete yet despite it only being 2 months to go.

Johnson has today done an interview about covid restrictions in the NE in which he got all the detail wrong. Its almost as if he forgot the lines he was instructed to recite and have no fundamental understanding of what rules he's putting into place to control the lives of the population.

As we lurch into October, there is speculation of full local lockdowns being brought in to try and deal with the spiralling number of cases which have to be the result, in no small part, of a dire lack of local testing facilities in the North of England. Meanwhile we've got The App finally. The one that doesn't work and the police and many health care staff are being advised not to use cos its so bobbins and will lead to them constantly isolating needlessly. Thats just something the rest of us have to contend with.

The feeling is that Cummings is up for No Deal. Johnson has been brainwashed into it, which lets face it, isn't too hard given how hard of thinking he is. However there is a growing sense that Johnson may now bottle it and declare victory in the jaws of defeat. That might be a premature hope.

We await the answer and the all important question of whether Christmas is indeed cancelled - that is for everyone who hasn't already cancelled it due to financial hardship...

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ListeningQuietly · 03/10/2020 19:16

Elements
The intervening years have clearly demonstrated that complete-and-utter repetitive obvious squirrel bollocks is just as eagerly lapped up as the initial more-carefully constructed lies.

Its so True.
The money that is utterly wasted on the Military Industrial Complex
could have fought COVID a million times over
and Putin is beating the West without even loading a gun

Clavinova · 03/10/2020 19:28

The Digby Jones jobs lost index

First on the list;
"2016 British company Smiffys moves HQ to Europe."

Obviously not moved yet;
"April 2020 - The chairman of a historic fancy dress business which started life as a wig maker in the 19th century has said he is convinced that the company is in a "good position to overcome any difficulties that may arise" from the Covid-19 pandemic."

"Ray Peckett added that his team at Smiffys, which is headquartered in Lincolnshire, is "working tirelessly to keep updated with this fast moving situation".

Peregrina · 03/10/2020 20:17

It's now October - who knows what has happened to Smiffys?

I was reading about how my local bookshop has managed to survive over the last year. They said they used to deal with two wholesalers, and one suddenly went quiet. They subsequently found that the firm had gone into administration. The wholesalers might have been going that way anyway, or the lockdown might have been what finished them off. Either way, they were trading in April, they aren't now.

mathanxiety · 03/10/2020 20:25

@Clavinova, your vague reply on the Irish Leaving Cert and university application/admission process is what I expected.

The Irish Leaving Cert is a nationwide exam offered in several iterations, including the Applied Leaving Cert, a less academic track.

Universities do not make offers directly to students. The process is almost completely automated, anonymous, and impersonal, handled centrally in the vast majority of courses and cases by the Central Applications Office.

Students list up to ten courses on their application, grades are sorted according to an order of merit, applicants are slotted into their first choice based on grades, then second, and on down the line until you get an offer, for students applying on the basis of LC results for the year of application. Each student is also assigned a random number and sometimes an offer is made based on random selection of this number if there are several students with equal grades applying for the same course and a limited number of places available on that course. 'Available Places' course applications can be made after offer rounds have closed if a student hasn't received an offer or an offer they like or if they find to their joy that they underestimated the results and applied for courses below the level they could have applied for.This process is more often used by underperforming students.

In a great many cases, students have a variety of courses/degrees that are similar in scope and value in their list. Nobody is assigned to a degree course for which they have not applied, and it is assumed students have researched all of their listed choices.
For instance, available courses in the area of Law -
www.qualifax.ie/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=16

The mistakes have denied an unknown number - but estimated at up to 1,000 or more - of CAO applicants a preferred college offer, and higher education chiefs are meeting today to see how that can be put right.

It could cost about €10m to fund the extra places and it also leaves the Government dealing with the political fall-out from another debacle.

Higher Education Authority chief executive Alan Wall is meeting registrars of the universities and institutes of technology today to work through the possibilities of more offers, and he said the feedback was "positive".

Meanwhile, Mr Harris said "any resources required to provide additional college places will be forthcoming".

Trinity College Dublin provost Dr Patrick Prendergast said: "We are prepared to do anything in our power to find places for them if those places are fully funded by Government." Overall, there are about 7,200 subject upgrades involved but it does not mean every student will have enough extra points for a higher offer - up to 1,000 or more are anticipated.

www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/scramble-to-find-1000-extra-college-places-after-leaving-cert-grades-fiasco-39578028.html

There is certainly political hay to be made here, and it is certain that many a haystack will be formed. The American standardised testing behemoth ETS has been commissioned to examine what happened, and is yet to make a report on this year's unusual process.

However, confidence in the LC and CAO process remains strong, and will perhaps grow even stronger after this. It tends to be an equitable system, in contrast to that in the UK, especially with the DARE and HEAR pathways to higher education opportunity.

ListeningQuietly · 03/10/2020 20:28

The Digby Jones list is a bit silly.

The true impact of Brexit and Covid job losses will only be properly quantified in a few years time
BUT
Prevention is always better than cure

for the UK to deliberately shoot itself in the feet at the moment will also be judged in future ....

mathanxiety · 03/10/2020 20:33

...the gist of your recent C&Ps seems to be that the EU freely breaks international treaties, individual EU members of the EU break international treaties, and even within the EU, treaties and agreements are routinely flouted with no consequences

@Clavinova
So why the desire to leave?

The EU clearly isn't the big, bad monster under the bed interfering with sovereignty and tying up its members in red tape that the Leave campaign asserted it was...

BigChocFrenzy · 03/10/2020 20:34

The MAGA bots claiming Trump is "as fit and strong as ever" ....
are for once being fairly truthful:
he has always looked a shambolic wreck with probable dementia - another risk factor for serious Covid

BigChocFrenzy · 03/10/2020 20:43

One in three 'red wall' families £1,000 a year worse off under Tory plans

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/03/red-wall-families-worse-off-under-tory-universal-credit-plans

One in three working-age families in so-called “red wall” constituencies won by the Tories from Labourr^ at the last election will be £1,000 a year worse off if government plans to cut universal credit benefit rates go ahead.

The potentially dramatic impact on low-income households’ in “left behind” former industrial areas in the north of England, Midlands, Northern Ireland and Wales
is highlighted in an analysis by the Resolution Foundation thinktank.
...
By contrast the percentage of working-age families affected by the cut in non-red wall Conservative seats is 24%.
“You are 50% more likely to lose out in the red wall regions than in the south-east [of England],” the analysis says.

The cut, which would affect 6m households across the UK, would take £20 a week off the basic allowances for universal credit and tax credits, and is predicted to push an estimated 700,000 households into poverty at a time of rising unemployment.

Mistigri · 03/10/2020 20:50

Really hard to focus on Brexit atm with the shitshow over the pond.

My favourite bit of the story so far is that Kellyanne Conway's teenage daughter outed her to the press as having COVID - after she initially lied to HER OWN DAUGHTER about her test result!

TheMShip · 03/10/2020 20:51

BCF I read that full article and you're being a bit disingenuous with the selective excerpt as is the Guardian headline writer. It's the expiry of the £20/month temporary boost to UC that was given as part of the COVID relief measures. Not a cut as such.

TheMShip · 03/10/2020 20:51

Oops £20/week.

mrslaughan · 03/10/2020 20:59

@Mistigri

Really hard to focus on Brexit atm with the shitshow over the pond.

My favourite bit of the story so far is that Kellyanne Conway's teenage daughter outed her to the press as having COVID - after she initially lied to HER OWN DAUGHTER about her test result!

Is it the same daughter who is asking to be emancipated from her?
BigChocFrenzy · 03/10/2020 21:06

Shocking that some Qanon conspiracy nuts will almost certainly get elected to the US Congress
They are Trump-worshippers, so of course he endorses their candidates and eggs on Qanon in Twitter

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/03/trump-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-qanon

They believe that Trump is a hero who is fighting a vast conspiracy of Clinton & the Democrats who they claim are kidnapping children to abuse them and use their blood for secret life extension meds, in between worshipping Satan.
The Jews are usually a key part of this crazy conspiracy
The idea of Jews kidnapping children to extract their blood for nefarious purposes goes back to about the 15th century
For QAnon, Coovid is part of the conspiracy, to enable Bill Gates to microchip everyone under the guise of a vaccine

All totally batshit,
but somehow this movement has hundreds of thousands of followers in the US, UK, Germany and is growing.

Illustrating that humans have basically not changed or got any brighter since the 15th century;
it's just the form of the mass madness has morphed from religion into political populism

So far only the US will be electing Qanon, but I wonder if they will have UK MPs at the next GE

BigChocFrenzy · 03/10/2020 21:12

@TheMShip

BCF I read that full article and you're being a bit disingenuous with the selective excerpt as is the Guardian headline writer. It's the expiry of the £20/month temporary boost to UC that was given as part of the COVID relief measures. Not a cut as such.
... Any benefit soon becomes a necessity, as the cost of living doesn't go down You could describe any benefit cut as not a cut, because no benefit is supposed to last for ever

The point of the article was the possible political effect:
those families have had the money, got used to it and will now lose it
It will likely affect the recent red wall seats the Tories won more than other Tory seats

Human nature:
people tend to be angry at losing a benefit, rather than grateful for having it in the first place

TheElementsOfMedical · 03/10/2020 21:22

So far only the US will be electing Qanon, but I wonder if they will have UK MPs at the next GE

So long as any Qanon supporters manage to sneak in under the aegis of the Tory party, we’ll at least get to enjoy the amusement of seeing screeds of C&Ped spiky penis-isms to justify their views. COVID denialism? Microchips in fake vaccines? Satanic child sacrifice? Faked Moon landings? Chemtrails? Cottingley fairies? Brexit Makes Britain Grate Again? All fiiiiiiiine, look over there at those hairy squirrel testicles!

BigChocFrenzy · 03/10/2020 21:25

Covid has highlighted the low level of UC for people who have to live on it
The sudden flood of people claiming it, who had never done so before and their outrage at the system

It has however not led to all the solidarity one might expect:

Many of those newly on UC seem to feel they are "better" than those on it pre-Covid, deserving of higher amounts and exemption for savings

This tendency to always form competing groups seems stronger in the US and UK,
who don't share the belief in the "social contract" that exists more in Scandinavia, northern and central Europe

The solidarity and social contract is btw what enables Sweden to have their alternate Covid policy - along with their much lower population density, of course

SwedishEdith · 03/10/2020 21:26

@Mistigri

Really hard to focus on Brexit atm with the shitshow over the pond.

My favourite bit of the story so far is that Kellyanne Conway's teenage daughter outed her to the press as having COVID - after she initially lied to HER OWN DAUGHTER about her test result!

Isn't Conway giving up the job because of how uncomfortable her daughter is/was with it? I think I like the sound of her daughter. My youngest says that Gove's daughter is on Instagram and is similarly deeply embarrassed about her parents.
BigChocFrenzy · 03/10/2020 21:31

@TheElementsOfMedical

So far only the US will be electing Qanon, but I wonder if they will have UK MPs at the next GE

So long as any Qanon supporters manage to sneak in under the aegis of the Tory party, we’ll at least get to enjoy the amusement of seeing screeds of C&Ped spiky penis-isms to justify their views. COVID denialism? Microchips in fake vaccines? Satanic child sacrifice? Faked Moon landings? Chemtrails? Cottingley fairies? Brexit Makes Britain Grate Again? All fiiiiiiiine, look over there at those hairy squirrel testicles!

... The section of Brexiters who believe in fantasies and conspiracies would be primed to make the switch, but I don't think most Leavers or Tories are that gullible There might also be the Piers Corbyn followers from the conspiratorial left

However, that's just the voters:
Over the last several years the HoC has accumulated several batshit MPs

ListeningQuietly · 03/10/2020 21:47

I think that UK anger about how deficient UC is
will bite in a couple of weeks ....

Under UK employment law, the vast bulk of 31 October redundancies will be issued next week
my Linkedin reckons best part of 1,000,000 will get them
ready for the end of furlough
and a good percentage of them will discover that their long term ISA savings
render them ineligible for short term help

FrankieStein402 · 03/10/2020 21:48

Re what happened to smiffys - they have head offices in UK, Netherlands and US
trade.smiffys.com/uk_gbp_en/contact

The Netherlands office was opened in preparation for brexit :
knaptonwright.co.uk/knapchat-elliott-peckett/
Brexit is of course one of the key things we’ve been planning for. A third of our revenue comes from Europe, and if that was jeopardised, it would be catastrophic for us. This is why we opened a Dutch limited company in 2015 before the referendum: so that we were prepared for both scenarios (leave or remain).

The rest of that interview explains quite concisely the relative costs of dealing with the EU and the US and why the Dutch office would handle EU trade.

Peregrina · 03/10/2020 21:56

and a good percentage of them will discover that their long term ISA savings render them ineligible for short term help

And that will really, really annoy them, because they have been prudent and saved, but the feckless ones get given a handout! (Not my opinions, I hasten to add - at one time it was OK to save for a rainy day.)

TheABC · 03/10/2020 22:27

Another month of trade deal negotiations agreed. Marks calendar.

I am mostly here for the squirrels. Grin
Between Brexit, Covid and the American elections, I now have a severe case of political ADHD.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/10/2020 22:29

More cockups - not conspiracy - probably just Covid collation / reporting errors
and it just looks like we're heading towards the Whitty / Vallance prediction of 21 September

However nearly 13 k cases announced, plus further corrections to be issued for previous days,
all adds to the impression of too many plates spinning out of control
and won't help compliance with measures

Justin Madders MP@justinmadders

12,872 new cases today,
but a note says
“Due to a technical issue...the total reported over the coming days will include some additional cases from the period between 24 Sept and 1 Oct”

Does this mean local lockdowns have been missed because these cases were?
What a shambles.

52andblue · 03/10/2020 22:38

very late PMK

notimagain · 03/10/2020 22:42

@ListeningQuietly

I think that UK anger about how deficient UC is will bite in a couple of weeks ....

Under UK employment law, the vast bulk of 31 October redundancies will be issued next week
my Linkedin reckons best part of 1,000,000 will get them
ready for the end of furlough
and a good percentage of them will discover that their long term ISA savings
render them ineligible for short term help

You are probably right...a head of steam has already been building up.

I've already heard gripes about this from some of those those I worked with.

Many were quite probably Boris fans ( because they thought he would be a "bit of a laugh"), some were "Thatcher's children" or "grandchildren"..whatever the origin, many are now quite peeved that the fairly trivial Voluntary Redundancy settlements have clobbered any entitlement to UC....

They maybe should have spent less time considering who they should vote for on Britain's Got Talent or Love Island and more time thinking about the vote that really mattered.