Westministender: Amen to that!

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On the Anniversary of the Battle of Britain, Johnson went to Westminster Abbey and was trolled. Its almost divine in its irony.

In a week where just about the entire right wing press has turned on him, for being... well shit... They have the dawning realisation that yes all those annoying lefties were right all along when they said he was full of nothing but hot air. He's been ridiculed for being paid £150,000 a year and not being able to feed his 5000 kids and the pictures to mark the anniversary of him becoming PM do little more than look like a man who couldn't tie his own shoe laces without a nanny to help him.

But its not really a laughing matter. This man doesn't understand what legal agreements he's signed so his solution to his ineptitude is to throw his toys out of the pram together with the rule of law. Which he also does not understand.

Johnson is also ever increasingly keen on ripping up inconvient human right and workers right and he has ample opportunity to do all this in the middle of a pandemic.

Unfortunately the hypocrisy of his cronies isn't exactly helping the behaviour of the public and you have to pity the poor behavioural scientists who have to tell him that 'of course the public are going to give you the vs when you tell them you shouldn't do this when your chief advisor claims to be maybe going blind'.

It seems the whole government strategy on managing the virus seems to be falling flat on its face rather sooner than planned cos they stuck Dildo in charge who wouldn't know her Rs from her elbow if it hit her in the face. And we've got Hancock going full on 1984, telling us not to believe the reports that no one can get a test because its all lies - except half the country has either first hand experience of the travesty of Track and Trace or has a close mate who they know is a hell of a lot more reliable than any of these fuckwits when it comes to telling the truth.

Meanwhile in America Bader Ginsburg has managed to die at possibly the most inconvient and dangerous time possible just as the future of democracy in the US is clinging on by its finger nails.

And yes. Money laundering. Haven't we talked about that a lot on these threads. Its almost as if FinCEN was predictable...

Taking back control was always about the elite taking back control from the masses. But if you've managed to keep following all this time, we've been saying that since April 2016 and no one listened then, so why would they start listening now?

It could be as simple as ennobling Frost was seen by Brexiteers as guaranteed to impress johnny foreigner. I mean it does in films doesn't it ? And we already know that the entire Brexit strategy is built on films from the 1950s.

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@DGRossetti

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I'm not sure how much more of this I can take. It's a fucking crime.

What can you say to the people of Bridgend but more fool you? If there were promises of more money back last December, to level up, Covid will have well and truly killed it off. We can't afford it will be the cry.

What can you say to the people of Bridgend

"Congratulations, you got what you knew you were voting for"?

@Peregrina

What can you say to the people of Bridgend but more fool you? If there were promises of more money back last December, to level up, Covid will have well and truly killed it off. We can't afford it will be the cry.

If it wasn't for the fact that it's obviously beyond the competence of a political party that struggles to tie it's shoelaces, it would be easy to believe that the real aim of Brexit was to cripple everywhere outside London and reduce them back to eating coal in the middle of the road.

Obviously you could never actually get people outside London to vote for such a scheme - after all, it's not like they are complete morons is it ?

Meanwhile, up pops uncle Nigel with his seductive tones, and they are charmed into "taking back control" etc etc.

because from this end of history, it looks like that's what's going to happen.

Once again, John Lydon proves painfully insightful.

Ever get the feeling you've been had ?

Part of the beauty is Remainers are now doing their work for them. As long as there are people around to say "told you so" it's inevitable that the conned double down and say it's what they wanted - will of the people and all that.

Heck, there might even be a God.

Ugh that Ford news is so depressingly predictable.

@TheElementsOfMedical

What can you say to the people of Bridgend

"Congratulations, you got what you knew you were voting for"?

Well, yes. That's axiomatic.

They can hardly say no, can they ? Or if they do (a) it won't be printed and (b) no one cares.

I've said it before but it feels like the UK has become ungovernable.

Was that the plan?

@Darker

I've said it before but it feels like the UK has become ungovernable.

Was that the plan?

If you genuinely believe in the survival of the fittest (i.e. are a bit dim and like life in soundbites) then yes, why not.

@Darker

I've said it before but it feels like the UK has become ungovernable.

Was that the plan?

.... Not ungovernable, imo

• compliant in most areas until recently, with very little civil disorder considering what we have all been subjected to,

Brits most of all

it's just that those in power don't know how to perform the job of government, such as:

how to negotiate with foreign governments who don't have to do as the British govt tells them;
that they can't get away with breaking an international treaty the same as they could breaking their promises to the people in their lives they've got tired of;
that if they appoint their incompetent cronies to key roles, then those entire organisations will perform poorly

Much of the public has always been amazingly deferential to any posh twit
but it has been a revelation at how many blindly follow posh twits claiming to save them from the "elite"
Stockholm syndrome ?

Yes and objecting to Starmer because he's not working class enough and voting for Johnson instead is just bonkers.

The characterisation of Starmer as posh and Johnson as an everyman is so frustrating!

The issue with schools is if the app picks up the Bluetooth through a wall and send a message to isolate when the teacher (or child) hasn’t been in contact with the person testing positive.

This applies to anyone, in an office or public transport, where proximity does not mean virus exposure - particularly where mask wearing is obligatory.

Gosh, who knew that computers are good at automating routine tasks that are exactly the same and identical, and aren’t very good at context-sensitivity or local variations of any kind. Including buildings. It takes everything the human race has got to come up with Curiosity and something approaching it. Didn’t I have to use that phrase, ‘who knew that’, about something else recently?

it's just that those in power don't know how to perform the job of government, such as:

part of the problem is we - as a whole - need to kick ourselves to remember they are our representatives not out rulers.

Agree with those that said the Bridgend ford plant closing is just so predictable. Vote Tory to ‘get Brexit done’ - they’ve been done! @DGRossetti I think Lydon’s quote was “ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?” which sums it up even more perfectly!

Ah, dammit, I cracked and posted on the COVID app thread.

I’m getting in all my “I told you so”s before it becomes really nothing to laugh at.

Gosh, who knew that computers are good at automating routine tasks that are exactly the same and identical, and aren’t very good at context-sensitivity or local variations of any kind

In my view this is why the French government is no longer promoting uptake of their app.

It's only useful to people whose day to day lives don't involve taking a bus or working in an office.

The French don't consider you a "contact" if both individuals were wearing a mask = you're not a contact in a secondary classroom or on public transport or in an office because masks are obligatory in all those settings.

Gosh, who knew that computers are good at automating routine tasks that are exactly the same and identical, and aren’t very good at context-sensitivity or local variations of any kind

Computer experts ?

how to negotiate with foreign governments who don't have to do as the British govt tells them;
that they can't get away with breaking an international treaty the same as they could breaking their promises to the people in their lives they've got tired of;
that if they appoint their incompetent cronies to key roles, then those entire organisations will perform poorly

That might have worked 150 years ago but someone needs to tell them the empire no longer exists.

Computer experts ?

Before masks were widely used, and when we weren't asking teachers to expose themselves daily to 30 unmasked viral vectors, I think it wasn't unreasonable to imagine a "tech solution" to this ... but time has moved in and apps have been displaced by lower tech solutions like face coverings and blatant disregard for the lives of some workers.

Meanwhile, it seems Johnson is prepared to shit on the young.

Again.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54330880

The prime minister announced that adults in England without an A-level or equivalent qualification will be offered a fully funded college course.

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So completely devaluing the qualifications a whole generation have worked for. They fucked up your GCSEs. They fucked up your A levels. They fucked up your university entrance and forced you back to stump up your rent to their mates. Now they want to give everyone a qualification and see them devalued to nothing.

No wonder DS is learning Russian.

Yes I agree. The tech solution isn’t going to make it.

Plus, if the app tells you to self isolate, you dint have to, unlike T&T. I can’t see many people actually staying at home because the app says so.

The thing is though, there seems to be part of the population that LIKES the app and feels safer because of it. So on a PR pov, I suppose that BJ has hit the spot there.

I must confess that I had similar thoughts myself. It’s not just ‘the young’, it’s those who need to take breaks and return to employment, I.e. women, too. It’s a bit of a slap in the face for those of us from disadvantaged circumstances, with no money or support, who have nevertheless tried to do the right thing, even though we were never going to be flying to the moon. Instead of continually squeezing the independent but lower middle to hand out smarties to the trendy special interest groups, why don’t they try to make state independence possible for all?