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Westministender: Amen to that!

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RedToothBrush · 20/09/2020 20:52

On the Anniversary of the Battle of Britain, Johnson went to Westminster Abbey and was trolled. Its almost divine in its irony.

In a week where just about the entire right wing press has turned on him, for being... well shit... They have the dawning realisation that yes all those annoying lefties were right all along when they said he was full of nothing but hot air. He's been ridiculed for being paid £150,000 a year and not being able to feed his 5000 kids and the pictures to mark the anniversary of him becoming PM do little more than look like a man who couldn't tie his own shoe laces without a nanny to help him.

But its not really a laughing matter. This man doesn't understand what legal agreements he's signed so his solution to his ineptitude is to throw his toys out of the pram together with the rule of law. Which he also does not understand.

Johnson is also ever increasingly keen on ripping up inconvient human right and workers right and he has ample opportunity to do all this in the middle of a pandemic.

Unfortunately the hypocrisy of his cronies isn't exactly helping the behaviour of the public and you have to pity the poor behavioural scientists who have to tell him that 'of course the public are going to give you the vs when you tell them you shouldn't do this when your chief advisor claims to be maybe going blind'.

It seems the whole government strategy on managing the virus seems to be falling flat on its face rather sooner than planned cos they stuck Dildo in charge who wouldn't know her Rs from her elbow if it hit her in the face. And we've got Hancock going full on 1984, telling us not to believe the reports that no one can get a test because its all lies - except half the country has either first hand experience of the travesty of Track and Trace or has a close mate who they know is a hell of a lot more reliable than any of these fuckwits when it comes to telling the truth.

Meanwhile in America Bader Ginsburg has managed to die at possibly the most inconvient and dangerous time possible just as the future of democracy in the US is clinging on by its finger nails.

And yes. Money laundering. Haven't we talked about that a lot on these threads. Its almost as if FinCEN was predictable...

Taking back control was always about the elite taking back control from the masses. But if you've managed to keep following all this time, we've been saying that since April 2016 and no one listened then, so why would they start listening now?

Westministender: Amen to that!
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ListeningQuietly · 27/09/2020 17:00

Down is up and up is down

We have a Tory Government nationalising the railways
We have a Tory Government paying the wages of private sector workers
We have a Tory Government telling private companies how to run their businesses
We have a Tory Government carrying out Modern Monetary Theory

I know that Left and Right join at the back
but its getting surreal

borntobequiet · 27/09/2020 17:39

@DGRossetti

Seems it's illegal to teach Marx anymore.

www.theguardian.com/education/2020/sep/27/uk-schools-told-not-to-use-anti-capitalist-material-in-teaching

The government has ordered schools in England not to use resources from organisations which have expressed a desire to end capitalism.

Department for Education (DfE) guidance issued on Thursday for school leaders and teachers involved in setting the relationship, sex and health curriculum categorised anti-capitalism as an “extreme political stance” and equated it with opposition to freedom of speech, antisemitism and endorsement of illegal activity.

(contd)

I think that’s the Granuiad’s spin on an issue where they’re about to find they’re very much on the wrong side of history. The guidance won’t prevent Marxism being taught about. It would prevent schools from bringing in groups that present one point of view without balance from other views. Yes I know the BBC takes that to extremes (eg on climate change) but programmes of study should prevent that in schools.
BigChocFrenzy · 27/09/2020 17:51

It is categorising it as an "extreme political stance" that is concerning,
implying it is dangerous, rather than an impractical dream
They are obviously trying to keep BLM out of schools, because Black Lives don't matter to them
More playing to the spluttering outrage of Telegraph readers

Austerity is surely an "extreme political stance" since it has caused many UK deaths and also buggered up the response to Covid

As for "illegal activity" 🤦🏻‍♀️
this government can fuck off talking about that when they are putting through a law to break an international treaty they signed only months ago

Noone is listening to them any more about law-breaking

ListeningQuietly · 27/09/2020 18:02

VERY misleading headline by the Graun
and yes, they are going to be pulling lots and lots of their past articles on gender when the court cases conclude in the coming months.

That DfE document is about "Relationships, Sex and Health"
not politics.
Marxism and anti Capitalism will still be discussed in Politics and History

borntobequiet · 27/09/2020 18:20

Long discussion on the above here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4032584-Updated-relationships-sex-and-health-curriculum-guidance?pg=1

TheABC · 27/09/2020 18:38

@ListeningQuietly

Why would Sunak want the job? It would make him an ex prime minister before he was 50 ....
Quite. Imagine the lucrative possibilities that await him in the City. A second career beckons, without the annoying press.

It's not compulsory to be 50+ before getting a shot at the head of the party. Heck, William Pitt managed it at 24.

TheABC · 27/09/2020 18:42

@ListeningQuietly

Down is up and up is down

We have a Tory Government nationalising the railways
We have a Tory Government paying the wages of private sector workers
We have a Tory Government telling private companies how to run their businesses
We have a Tory Government carrying out Modern Monetary Theory

I know that Left and Right join at the back
but its getting surreal

I am waiting for Johnson to announce a repackaged social housing policy "fit for NHS heroes", off the back of the outage about the the planning regs.

Then, we will finally know we are through the looking glass.

Meuniere · 27/09/2020 19:51

@ListeningQuietly

Why would Sunak want the job? It would make him an ex prime minister before he was 50 ....
Because that will be his one chance to be PM? I suspect the Tories are going to struggle to get elected again for a long while
ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 27/09/2020 20:06

Wish I had your confidence, Meuniere

Peregrina · 27/09/2020 20:47

I agree to the above statement. I hope it comes to pass. I hope that Johnson destroys the current incarnation of the Tory party.

ListeningQuietly · 27/09/2020 21:22

It's not compulsory to be 50+ before getting a shot at the head of the party. Heck, William Pitt managed it at 24.
Life expectancy was rather less in those days ....

RedToothBrush · 27/09/2020 21:34

Hmmm

George Parker @GeorgeWParker
Big read - Number 10 gets into Brexit deal mode...⁦no appetite at top of govt (⁦RishiSunak / michaelgove) for more chaos BorisJohnson under pressure from Tory MPs to show he can deliver with ⁦*@pmdfoster and ⁦*@jimbrunsden
www.ft.com/content/16e84a65-3a95-468f-bcc1-5c8242cc3abc?sharetype=blocked
‘Every week is an ordeal’: Johnson under pressure over Brexit and lockdown
As EU trade talks resume, a no-deal scenario remains possible but the UK prime minister needs progress to dispel criticism of his leadership

There is a commonly held view — including in Brussels — that the Brexit hardliners advising Mr Johnson believe that amid all the other turmoil and economic damage inflicted by Covid-19, the disruption caused by a hard or “clean break” Brexit over the new year would barely be noticed. Some EU officials say that while a trade deal is do-able, Mr Johnson’s key advisers do not want one and aim to blame an “intransigent” EU when talks collapse.

and

“Johnson and his team persuaded themselves that the EU would be so panicked that they would give in eventually,” Ivan Rogers, former UK ambassador to Brussels, told the Irish Times. “And it didn’t happen. Boris didn’t, I believe, start off as a true no-dealer, but he seems now formally in the camp with Dominic Cummings [that says]: ‘to hell with it, we should walk away’.”

Even some Conservative MPs supportive of Mr Johnson fear he has been captured by Mr Cummings and the Vote Leave Brexit hardliners in Downing Street. “He’s like Aung San Suu Kyi, surrounded by the generals, occasionally wheeled out to smile and say everything will be OK,” says one former minister in a reference to the Myanmar leader.

However, the article says there seems to be a change of mood in the air...

Mr Johnson and Mr Gove insist — as does the recently ennobled Lord Frost — that they want a trade deal consistent with Britain’s status as an “independent country”. And there is a growing belief in Westminster and Brussels that the recent ratcheting up of rhetoric about no deal — and Mr Johnson’s provocative threat over the internal market bill — is part of the inevitable ritual before an agreement is finally signed.

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“There’s definitely going to be a deal,” says one senior MP close to Mr Sunak. “Boris has basically decided he’s going to accept a deal, but he has to go out and get a bloody face first. It was what he did in 2019 — he talked tough, then signed up to the Brexit deal that was on the table. Cummings and Boris have told Rishi to trust them; ‘it’s going to be OK’.”

In Brussels, there is already speculation on when — and with whom — Mr Johnson will have his “Varadkar moment”, a reference to the prime minister’s meeting with the former Irish premier Leo Varadkar at a hotel near Liverpool in 2019 that ultimately unlocked the Brexit withdrawal deal. Emmanuel Macron, French president, is often seen as the most likely intermediary in this scenario, dubbed by EU officials “the Boris folds and claims a great victory paradigm”.

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If the broad outlines of a deal are on the table by the end of this week, one option being weighed in Brussels is for both sides to go into the so-called “negotiating tunnel” — a leak-free, sealed space where the final dealmaking takes place — before EU leaders meet in Brussels on October 15 and 16.

However, EU diplomats say that would require a big leap by both sides and Mr Johnson’s willingness to flout international law has only hardened Brussels’ determination to have a robust mechanism to deal with possible disputes over state aid or other potential violations of the deal. EU officials say “governance” has emerged as a problem area in the talks because the bill has further hardened the EU’s will to secure ironclad guarantees of good UK behaviour, backed by the means for rapid retaliation.

But the mood around the talks has become more positive in London in recent days. Downing Street said: “We are now in the final period of negotiations. There remains a lot of work to do and either outcome is possible.”

and

Some ministers believe Mr Johnson has already made the political calculation he has to secure a deal, fearing that if he failed to deliver the EU trade deal he promised, it would only add to the mutinous mood among his MPs and fuel claims at Westminster that he was simply not capable of leading the country through such dark times.

and

Keir Starmer, leader of the opposition Labour party, last week launched a stinging attack on Mr Johnson in remarks that wounded because they reflected what many Conservative MPs say privately — and what public opinion polls reflect too. “This government’s incompetence is holding Britain back,” he said.

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Mr Johnson is well aware of the discontent in his own party and he needs a victory soon. Mr Sunak, meanwhile, is increasingly seen by Tory MPs and the rightwing media as the heir apparent, the Daily Mail newspaper claiming on Friday that the chancellor had “upstaged” the “cautious, health-focused PM” with his coolly presented Covid-19 economic package, in which he urged the country to “live without fear”.

Now this might be stepping too far, but certainly there is a feeling that Johnson's inability to handle the Covid crisis is deeply interwoven with what happens now with a Brexit deal, and that Johnson feels he has no more political capital to burn and must accept a deal rather than go along with this idea that you can somehow just do no deal brexit in the midst of the pandemic and everyone will blame the pandemic.

The thing is with Johnson, is he will do whatever benefits Boris Johnson most.

Does a no deal brexit at this point, with the covid situation as it is and his growing internal party unrest which he has to manage and keep under control - and the Labour Party rising significantly in the polls suit Johnson.

Is Johnson, a poundland Trump in it for himself and him mate in terms of financial corruption and pure power, or is Johnson in love with the idea of being PM who has been hijacked by those who believe in Trumpian ideas - but ultimately more of a populist out of his depth and rather desparate for love and affection from the public and press?

The next couple of weeks may be revealing.

Whether this piece is overly optimistic or reading the runes accurately I don't know, but I don't think that Peter Foster would have contributed to an article like this in tone even a couple of weeks ago.

It does seem that Johnson is facing a personal crisis of leadership though.

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DGRossetti · 27/09/2020 21:42

Cummings and Boris have told Rishi to trust them

Who else stopped reading there ?

ListeningQuietly · 27/09/2020 22:24

5 weeks and 2 days till we know which way the wind is blowing

Johnson does not lead, he follows

and he is an ABSOLUTE coward

SabrinaThwaite · 27/09/2020 22:37

Cummings and Boris have told Rishi to trust them

Who else immediately thought of Kaa?

Westministender: Amen to that!
BigChocFrenzy · 27/09/2020 22:41

Another white elephant crashes back to earth

Another embarassing - and expensive - failure formally bites the dust on Wednesday:

https://www.telecomtv.com/content/satellite/uk-alternative-to-galileo-satnav-system-fails-to-clear-the-launch-pad-39765/

The UK Space Agency has let it quietly be known that the contacts that had been given to British companies to design and build the British Global Navigation Satellite System "will not be extended beyond their expirations date."
That date is Wednesday, September 30, 2020.

Fortunately, the EU is indicating that, in due course, it will allow a chastened UK back as a member of Galileo when the post-Brexit rumpus eventually calms down and the government stops pfeffeling about. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Some time around about 2030 then, long after the inevitable losses from the nonsensical OneWeb "plan" have been written through and off the government books.

prettybird · 27/09/2020 22:46

What about the security aspects of Galileo? I thought that the UK - as an EU member state - insisted on only member states getting full access to Galileo Confused

DrBlackbird · 27/09/2020 22:58

@DGRossetti

It wasn’t even 52% of the electorate, more like 37%. Wonder if they’ll ever admit to that?

We already know that Brexiteer maths is a new and exciting branch of imaginary numbers.

Grin
BigChocFrenzy · 27/09/2020 23:29

@prettybird

What about the security aspects of Galileo? I thought that the UK - as an EU member state - insisted on only member states getting full access to Galileo Confused
... The UK probably still won't be getting full access, just access to all the parts that certain favoured 3rd countries can use
RedToothBrush · 27/09/2020 23:30

Well...

... Look how well planning for brexit is going.

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BigChocFrenzy · 27/09/2020 23:32

Brexiter passports are new and exciting too

First the very dark blue British one, now you can hunt for Kentish grandparents to claim this:

Westministender: Amen to that!
SwedishEdith · 27/09/2020 23:32

New York Times publishes Donald Trump's tax returns in election bombshell
Paper details $750 federal income tax payments in 2016, 2017
Information ‘does not reveal unreported Russia connections’

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/27/new-york-times-publishes-donald-trumps-tax-returns-election?CMP=share_btn_tw

BigChocFrenzy · 27/09/2020 23:34

Oh ffs, the NHS is offering 30 million people free flu jabs
(Ok, some won't take this up)

How can the Covid rollout be so screwed - is that to be Dido's evening job ? Confused

RedToothBrush · 27/09/2020 23:40

@BigChocFrenzy

Brexiter passports are new and exciting too

First the very dark blue British one, now you can hunt for Kentish grandparents to claim this:

Funnily enough the part of DHs family im researching atm is from Kent. They left Kent in the 1840s to go to London, but you can trace it back in a continuous line on numerous family lines via church records and wills and land records until about 1400 at which point the trail goes cold. Researching the families concerned they apparently originally Flemish and came over in the 1370s when they were encouraged to stimulate the economy and teach the kent population skills following the black death.

Do you think this evidence would be sufficient for a kent passport? I can fully document it. (unlike people caught up in windrush).

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BigChocFrenzy · 27/09/2020 23:51

Yes, you can now enter Kent lorry parks

Already planning your winter holiday ?