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Westministender: Amen to that!

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RedToothBrush · 20/09/2020 20:52

On the Anniversary of the Battle of Britain, Johnson went to Westminster Abbey and was trolled. Its almost divine in its irony.

In a week where just about the entire right wing press has turned on him, for being... well shit... They have the dawning realisation that yes all those annoying lefties were right all along when they said he was full of nothing but hot air. He's been ridiculed for being paid £150,000 a year and not being able to feed his 5000 kids and the pictures to mark the anniversary of him becoming PM do little more than look like a man who couldn't tie his own shoe laces without a nanny to help him.

But its not really a laughing matter. This man doesn't understand what legal agreements he's signed so his solution to his ineptitude is to throw his toys out of the pram together with the rule of law. Which he also does not understand.

Johnson is also ever increasingly keen on ripping up inconvient human right and workers right and he has ample opportunity to do all this in the middle of a pandemic.

Unfortunately the hypocrisy of his cronies isn't exactly helping the behaviour of the public and you have to pity the poor behavioural scientists who have to tell him that 'of course the public are going to give you the vs when you tell them you shouldn't do this when your chief advisor claims to be maybe going blind'.

It seems the whole government strategy on managing the virus seems to be falling flat on its face rather sooner than planned cos they stuck Dildo in charge who wouldn't know her Rs from her elbow if it hit her in the face. And we've got Hancock going full on 1984, telling us not to believe the reports that no one can get a test because its all lies - except half the country has either first hand experience of the travesty of Track and Trace or has a close mate who they know is a hell of a lot more reliable than any of these fuckwits when it comes to telling the truth.

Meanwhile in America Bader Ginsburg has managed to die at possibly the most inconvient and dangerous time possible just as the future of democracy in the US is clinging on by its finger nails.

And yes. Money laundering. Haven't we talked about that a lot on these threads. Its almost as if FinCEN was predictable...

Taking back control was always about the elite taking back control from the masses. But if you've managed to keep following all this time, we've been saying that since April 2016 and no one listened then, so why would they start listening now?

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prettybird · 28/09/2020 00:01

The UK probably still won't be getting full access, just access to all the parts that certain favoured 3rd countries can use

That's what I thought. So effectively we (the UK ) are damaging our own security as we won't have access to the complete system because of the rules that we asked for Hmm and it's too expensive/not practical to put in place a different system.

Tell me again why this is a "good" thing?..... Confused

prettybird · 28/09/2020 00:06

@BigChocFrenzy

Brexiter passports are new and exciting too

First the very dark blue British one, now you can hunt for Kentish grandparents to claim this:

Fixed the passport for true Kentish Be-Leavers Grin
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BigChocFrenzy · 28/09/2020 00:08

I thought it was missing the essential Brexit Horn

BigChocFrenzy · 28/09/2020 00:15

Re polls:

The Tories were 26% ahead in March and since the news has been 99:1 Covif over Brexit, I'd assume it's govt incompetence over Covid that has caused this

45k deaths, or > 57k according to the ONS are a lot more noticeable than negotiating blunders
Then there are those pissed off at mask & SD rules, losing their income

Reportedly, only Hancock & Gove support the latest measures

  • which weren't modelled by SAGE btw, so we've no estimated on how effective they'll be

Hancock presumably is the most knowledgeable minister about Covid
and Gove, as on Brexit, seems to be coldly realist about dangers when forced to the wire

BigChocFrenzy · 28/09/2020 00:18

Public opinion might have been diferent without Cummingsgate and without using Covid as a jobs scheme for Tory cronies - incompetent ones.

Bad political mistakes, born out of total arrogance

SabrinaThwaite · 28/09/2020 07:28

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Peregrina · 28/09/2020 08:10

Oh ffs, the NHS is offering 30 million people free flu jabs

I would be entitled to a free flu jab. A couple of years ago there was a shortage of vaccine, and my surgery finally was able to offer it in February. I didn't bother, with the flu season being virtually over by then.

I won't be the first in the queue for a Covid vaccine either - but will keep an eye on how the research progresses.

dontcallmelen · 28/09/2020 08:40

Peregrina same has happened to me last couple of years, boots & couple of other local chemist are no longer taking appointments am yet to hear from my GP (last year had three appointments but no vaccine available so gave up) I have a heart condition & a flu jab would be beneficial.

TheElementsOfMedical · 28/09/2020 09:06

So effectively we (the UK ) are damaging our own security as we won't have access to the complete system because of the rules that we asked for hmm and it's too expensive/not practical to put in place a different system. Tell me again why this is a "good" thing?.....

"In the 9th century, the Orcadian earl Sigurd the Mighty was killed by his already-dead enemy Maelbrigte, whom he had beheaded several hours earlier. Sigurd has tied the head to his saddle, and while riding home one of Maelbrigte's wonky teeth grazed his leg. The scratch became infected and he died several weeks later.

Therefore, the satellite fiasco is fiiiiiiiiiine."

Grin

I hope you are all taking notes - there will be a short quiz next period Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 28/09/2020 09:07

The “taking back control” slogan is starting to wear thin

yorkshirebylines.co.uk/the-taking-back-control-slogan-is-starting-to-wear-thin/

Blaming others for its own mismanagement has become the defining characteristic of this government.

A concerted attack on EU ‘intransigence’ in an effort to shift responsibility to Brussels for the chaos that a no-deal Brexit will bring in just 66 working days’ time, is expected soon.
It will be, as Sir Ivan Rogers has noted,
“full on, a story every day in the press about resisting the humiliation imposed, ‘we are not going to be treated like this by the evil empire’.
It will be nasty”.

Brexit it seems, is beginning to suffer from schizophrenia.

Advocates oscillate between boasting of the reach and power of ‘global Britain’ and quivering like a milquetoast that we are being humiliated.
What is it to be, for it cannot be both?

< it can for those who BeLeave rather than think >

RedToothBrush · 28/09/2020 09:55

Slightly off topic whilst still on topic of political pressures and potential vaccine shortages, this is a really very good article into the history of the polio immunisation programme of the 1950s and the practical and political barriers it faced, and the battle between data, information and politics in handling the crisis.

Its really good food for thought about what might happen... I really do think we will see a lot of repetition of history going on.

I think we could see many similar problems arise - and we should be increasing awareness of what this are by using this historical example.

For example I can see there being a lot of cries for us to take US vaccines or other none eu ones (keeping in mind that we currently have reasonably similar standards across the eu thanks to regulation), if when we might face shortages here which might not be a wise move in the context of evidence based medicine, public safety and testing.

www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13619462.2016.1247701
'A matter of commonsense’: the Coventry poliomyelitis epidemic 1957 and the British public

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DGRossetti · 28/09/2020 09:58

Hancock presumably is the most knowledgeable minister about Covid

What. The. Fuck ??????

This is the man who said months into the pandemic "I wish someone had told me it could be spread by asymptomatic sufferers"

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-latest-uk-matt-hancock-asymptomatic-spread-sage-guidance-infections-b519138.html

I trust you'll excuse me if I choose not to believe a word he says either ?

DGRossetti · 28/09/2020 10:05

@Peregrina

Oh ffs, the NHS is offering 30 million people free flu jabs

I would be entitled to a free flu jab. A couple of years ago there was a shortage of vaccine, and my surgery finally was able to offer it in February. I didn't bother, with the flu season being virtually over by then.

I won't be the first in the queue for a Covid vaccine either - but will keep an eye on how the research progresses.

I saw a comment somewhere that lockdown pretty much killed 2019-2020 'flu dead in it's tracks.

I had to admit, if lockdown is supposed to be protecting us all from C-19, then shouldn't it also protect us from 'flu ?

DGRossetti · 28/09/2020 10:07

Of course a vaccine may still be years off. Knowing the science doesn't always guarantee a timetable. Ask nuclear fusion experts.

ListeningQuietly · 28/09/2020 10:08

DH had his flu jab on Saturday.
I've not been offered one

Re wild Polio : its would have been wiped out by now were it not for the CIA trying to kill Bin Laden Smile

Mistigri · 28/09/2020 10:43

Did this already get shared? Jamie Oliver and other chefs asking the public to write to their MPs to protect food standards from a US trade deal:

www.biteback2030.com/campaign/save-our-standards

JO has 6 million followers on twitter ...

Peregrina · 28/09/2020 10:46

The New European reports that Farage is planning to start an anti-lockdown party.

The former UKIP leader told the Times that he was not ruling out launching a new anti-lockdown party to challenge Johnson. He explained: "We stood aside for Boris Johnson's government, now many are questioning why we bothered."

Darker · 28/09/2020 10:48

Does Farage need money again?

DGRossetti · 28/09/2020 10:54

JO has 6 million followers on twitter ...

Big. Fucking. Deal.

A petition exceeding that number went to the government last year to FUCK ALL effect

petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/241584

So whenever I hear of a piddling million signature petition, I just laugh inwardly. What chance has that got when 1 in 10 of the population of the UK get ignored ?

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DGRossetti · 28/09/2020 10:59

@Peregrina

The New European reports that Farage is planning to start an anti-lockdown party.

The former UKIP leader told the Times that he was not ruling out launching a new anti-lockdown party to challenge Johnson. He explained: "We stood aside for Boris Johnson's government, now many are questioning why we bothered."

Somehow, I think the issue of lockdown will be a long way from peoples minds in 2024.
DGRossetti · 28/09/2020 11:00

@Peregrina

The New European reports that Farage is planning to start an anti-lockdown party.

The former UKIP leader told the Times that he was not ruling out launching a new anti-lockdown party to challenge Johnson. He explained: "We stood aside for Boris Johnson's government, now many are questioning why we bothered."

(oh for an edit function)

however, the idea of Farage being stitched up by Johnson and co. is too funny for words. Along with Kent being called "Farages Garage".

Peregrina · 28/09/2020 11:16

Yes, Johnson stitching up Farage gave me a certain satisfaction.

DGRossetti · 28/09/2020 11:34

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-threat-to-raise-bills-by-hundreds-of-millions-8nlph0swf

Brexit threatens to add hundreds of millions of pounds to energy bills as Britain leaves an EU platform that enables efficient trading through subsea power cables with the Continent, according to a Policy Exchange report.

The think tank said that development of new electricity “interconnectors” with France and other countries also risked being delayed due to the uncertainty over trading arrangements.

The report warns that “from 2021, the integration of UK and EU energy markets will go into reverse for the first time in decades” and called for both sides to form a new energy agreement to continue efficient trading.

A system of “market coupling” automatically schedules interconnector usage to ensure electricity flows from lower priced regions where there is surplus, to higher priced regions

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ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 28/09/2020 12:15

Come on, DGR that's just project fear Wink. Otherwise, why would a majority have voted to leave...? It'll all be fiiiine.