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Westministender: Amen to that!

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RedToothBrush · 20/09/2020 20:52

On the Anniversary of the Battle of Britain, Johnson went to Westminster Abbey and was trolled. Its almost divine in its irony.

In a week where just about the entire right wing press has turned on him, for being... well shit... They have the dawning realisation that yes all those annoying lefties were right all along when they said he was full of nothing but hot air. He's been ridiculed for being paid £150,000 a year and not being able to feed his 5000 kids and the pictures to mark the anniversary of him becoming PM do little more than look like a man who couldn't tie his own shoe laces without a nanny to help him.

But its not really a laughing matter. This man doesn't understand what legal agreements he's signed so his solution to his ineptitude is to throw his toys out of the pram together with the rule of law. Which he also does not understand.

Johnson is also ever increasingly keen on ripping up inconvient human right and workers right and he has ample opportunity to do all this in the middle of a pandemic.

Unfortunately the hypocrisy of his cronies isn't exactly helping the behaviour of the public and you have to pity the poor behavioural scientists who have to tell him that 'of course the public are going to give you the vs when you tell them you shouldn't do this when your chief advisor claims to be maybe going blind'.

It seems the whole government strategy on managing the virus seems to be falling flat on its face rather sooner than planned cos they stuck Dildo in charge who wouldn't know her Rs from her elbow if it hit her in the face. And we've got Hancock going full on 1984, telling us not to believe the reports that no one can get a test because its all lies - except half the country has either first hand experience of the travesty of Track and Trace or has a close mate who they know is a hell of a lot more reliable than any of these fuckwits when it comes to telling the truth.

Meanwhile in America Bader Ginsburg has managed to die at possibly the most inconvient and dangerous time possible just as the future of democracy in the US is clinging on by its finger nails.

And yes. Money laundering. Haven't we talked about that a lot on these threads. Its almost as if FinCEN was predictable...

Taking back control was always about the elite taking back control from the masses. But if you've managed to keep following all this time, we've been saying that since April 2016 and no one listened then, so why would they start listening now?

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DGRossetti · 26/09/2020 08:15

After Ratcliffe ...

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DGRossetti · 26/09/2020 08:17

You may be forgiven for asking "what's the point of them, then ?"

www.sustainweb.org/blogs/sep19_government_says_it_has_no_duty_to_secure_food_in_a_crisis/

Government says it has no duty to secure food supplies in a no-deal Brexit (nor any other crisis)

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 26/09/2020 08:46

DGR Shock just when you think they can't sink any lower.

QueenOfThorns · 26/09/2020 09:36

To be fair DGR, that post is from September 2019, so not actually referring to the current Government. Although I’m sure they feel exactly the same Sad

TheABC · 26/09/2020 09:37

@Sosteno, try borrow my doggy or see if there's any trustworthy teenagers about who would agree to a bit of extra cash. As evidenced on MN, there's a lot of kids who want a dog whilst their parents are going "hell no" at the extra work. This could end up satisfying everyone.

SabrinaThwaite · 26/09/2020 09:43

The Daily Fail looks to have the knives out for Johnson today - piece about his reported money worries ends:

Of course, if he were to stand down as Prime Minister his money problems would be solved at a stroke . . .

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 26/09/2020 09:47

What's the process to increase the PM's remuneration? How quickly could that happen?

I mean, as part of the 'levelling up' agenda, you can't have an effective PM if he's distracted by personal money worries, especially since it's a temporary position.

Darker · 26/09/2020 10:03

Looks like Boris can’t manage his personal life or finances. I bet he left Marina to worry about that tedious side of married life and parenthood. It doesn’t fill me with confidence that he can lead a government through the difficult choices ahead.

SabrinaThwaite · 26/09/2020 10:06

How much sympathy can you have for someone who calls £250k a year for dashing off some weekly piffle “chicken feed”?

FrankieStein402 · 26/09/2020 10:12

you can't have an effective PM if he's distracted by personal money worries,

Define 'effective' - there's no normal definition that pfeffel could meet, and in the hierarchy of distractions the search for a new mistress takes precedence over concerns about money.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/09/2020 10:28

@DrBlackbird

Does anyone know exactly what EU rules do not allow under the 'no state support' limitations? Apart from fishing, this seems to be the area often decried by Johnson and Co as the obstacle to a deal with the EU. Is this genuine or a red herring?

I know DC wants to pour millions into a UK Silicon Valley enriching himself and his mates before any successful UK tech firms are then snapped up by larger US tech firms but is R&D support truly not allowed under EU law's?

.... It depends on whether it is subsidy or support and what kind

Obviously not allowed to compete unfairly by directly paying R&D - the price of any product requiring years of R&D includes that, e.g. the high cost of some drugs, not just tech widgets

There are strict rules on the kind of support allowed under WTO too - hence the WTO court decision on AIrbus and the ongoing case against Boeing (if it can continue after Trump sabotaged the court)

The EU rules on subsidy wrt Level Playing Field are not unusual, especially for an economy of 67 million that is 25 miles offshore - geography matters.
It would be following similar rules to EU members, many of whom have more state investment than the UK, but keeping to LPF

Frost and the UK negotiating team have said they don't want legal constraints of any kind on what the UK can do,
but have also reportedly expressed concern that ....

Liz Truss's proposed FTA with Japan agrees to at least as strict state support rules as the EU is demanding
< but because Brexiters haven't made Japan a bogeyman like the EU, it doesn't count >

Peter Fosterr@pmdfoster*

It is this sentence on No 10's "no constraints of any kind" policy:

"There is, though, a case for choosing to fight some of these battles later;"

That sounds to me like the argument for a tactical retreat..../11

< or maybe waiting to break a new treaty until the UK is in a better position ? >

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ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 26/09/2020 10:30

Sabrina none, personally.

My post should have carried a sarcasm emoji.

Peregrina · 26/09/2020 10:37

I recall from a much earlier thread that Clavinova thought that Johnson's £250 k a week for his piffle, was a measure of his success. Which I suppose in the twisted world of the Torygraph and its rabid right wing readers, it was.

Peregrina · 26/09/2020 10:39

I don't see how Johnson can retreat - the ERG won't be appeased. He can't tow the UK into the mid-Atlantic and then apply to be the 51st state, which even then might not be enough for them.

SunnyUplandsOhNoTurnipSoup · 26/09/2020 11:06

Thanks DGR I like that GK Chesterton quote - those with most wealth would want least checks and need fewer safety nets.
At the risk pedantry. I think anarchists would disagree that DC is an anarchist
As an anti-capitalist and libertarian socialist philosophy, anarchism is placed on the far-left of the political spectrum and much of its economics and legal philosophy reflect anti-authoritarian interpretations of left-wing politics such as communism, collectivism, syndicalism, mutualism, or participatory economics.

See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ward on an old family friend

borntobequiet · 26/09/2020 11:11

The rates charged by self employed people don’t reflect their actual earnings. My DD spent five years as a gardener and charged £15 p/h once established (this was a while ago) Out of this she had to pay tax, NI, for transport (van she fitted out herself) and fuel, for tools and equipment including maintenance, other overheads and PPE. She would have just got by if all her clients paid their bills immediately (monthly invoices, very professional), but they didn’t. It was the better off ones that kept “forgetting”. Eventually she got so fed up she jacked it in and got a temporary job on minimum wage to tide her over. She was astonished at how much better off she was.

SabrinaThwaite · 26/09/2020 11:34

New Covid app working well I see;

People who test negative for Covid-19 are unable to share the result with the new NHS app for England and Wales if they did not book the test through the app in the first place.

The app asks for a code to register a test result but a code is only received if the test is positive.

Those who enter that they have symptoms without entering a result find a self-isolation countdown begins.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54307526

FatCatThinCat · 26/09/2020 11:39

I see SAGE are now saying that the 10pm curfew didn't come from them. De Piffle just plucked it out of his arse.

squid4 · 26/09/2020 11:44

Struggling with anxiety this week, not sleeping.
Mood in hospital is low, tired. Everyone expecting winter to be horrendous.
Getting about 5 covid admissions a day currently after basically none for months. We're not a bad hit area (yet).
It's busy generally bed occupancy is very high.
Feeling like deja vu, feels like March. Except March went weirdly quiet as everyone was too scared to come... it's very busy.

RedToothBrush · 26/09/2020 11:58

@FatCatThinCat

I see SAGE are now saying that the 10pm curfew didn't come from them. De Piffle just plucked it out of his arse.
Whst does it achieve in terms of behaviour?

Does it stop the problem or drive it underground?

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ListeningQuietly · 26/09/2020 12:12

(((( squid )))))
I normally try to be optimistic
but sadly this winter the combination of 10 years of Tory austerity, COVID and staff vacancies due to Brexit
its going to be rough in the whole of the NHS
even in areas like round here where COVID cases are still minimal
(despite the huge testing research programme)

ListeningQuietly · 26/09/2020 12:13

RTB
10 pm curfew just means restaurants are starting dinner service area (according to the emails and FB posts I'm seeing)
and just means the kids will get smashed in their rooms not at the pub

prettybird · 26/09/2020 12:39

At the Scottish Government nearly daily briefing yesterday, Scotland's Deputy CMO was emphasising that the extension of the eligibility for flu vaccination to (amongst others) the over 55s was because a double dose of Covid and the flu could be a death sentence Sad, so asking people please to get vaccinated, once the campaign proper begins from 1 October (procedures for it will vary between health boards).

And no, Nicola Sturgeon didn't say "Christmas at home was cancelled for students" Wink whatever the headlines might claim

WickedEmoji · 26/09/2020 13:07

Re the ten pm curfews, the clubs are being hit hard. People going clubbingbdint even leave the house until ten! On the radio the other day they were asking for support. That said, anyone clubbing atm is bonkers in my view!

DGRossetti · 26/09/2020 13:24

It is this sentence on No 10's "no constraints of any kind" policy: [] "There is, though, a case for choosing to fight some of these battles later;" [] That sounds to me like the argument for a tactical retreat..../11 < or maybe waiting to break a new treaty until the UK is in a better position ? >

Personally, given recent events, that reads like

We'll sign up to anything since we have fuck all intention of abiding by it anyway

Just like the UK legal system really doesn't know how to deal with serial fraudsters (that is people who deliberately set out to defraud people, rather than it happening by accident) international treaties aren't really immune to a cynical rogue state that has zero intention of adhering to them. Just ask anyone from Poland Sad

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