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Westministender: Amen to that!

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RedToothBrush · 20/09/2020 20:52

On the Anniversary of the Battle of Britain, Johnson went to Westminster Abbey and was trolled. Its almost divine in its irony.

In a week where just about the entire right wing press has turned on him, for being... well shit... They have the dawning realisation that yes all those annoying lefties were right all along when they said he was full of nothing but hot air. He's been ridiculed for being paid £150,000 a year and not being able to feed his 5000 kids and the pictures to mark the anniversary of him becoming PM do little more than look like a man who couldn't tie his own shoe laces without a nanny to help him.

But its not really a laughing matter. This man doesn't understand what legal agreements he's signed so his solution to his ineptitude is to throw his toys out of the pram together with the rule of law. Which he also does not understand.

Johnson is also ever increasingly keen on ripping up inconvient human right and workers right and he has ample opportunity to do all this in the middle of a pandemic.

Unfortunately the hypocrisy of his cronies isn't exactly helping the behaviour of the public and you have to pity the poor behavioural scientists who have to tell him that 'of course the public are going to give you the vs when you tell them you shouldn't do this when your chief advisor claims to be maybe going blind'.

It seems the whole government strategy on managing the virus seems to be falling flat on its face rather sooner than planned cos they stuck Dildo in charge who wouldn't know her Rs from her elbow if it hit her in the face. And we've got Hancock going full on 1984, telling us not to believe the reports that no one can get a test because its all lies - except half the country has either first hand experience of the travesty of Track and Trace or has a close mate who they know is a hell of a lot more reliable than any of these fuckwits when it comes to telling the truth.

Meanwhile in America Bader Ginsburg has managed to die at possibly the most inconvient and dangerous time possible just as the future of democracy in the US is clinging on by its finger nails.

And yes. Money laundering. Haven't we talked about that a lot on these threads. Its almost as if FinCEN was predictable...

Taking back control was always about the elite taking back control from the masses. But if you've managed to keep following all this time, we've been saying that since April 2016 and no one listened then, so why would they start listening now?

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Peregrina · 25/09/2020 18:50

A majority in Kent voted Leave but not to Leave the UK.

Sorry, no, when you returned 16 Tory MPs last December, you basically said 'Whatever' - you weren't interested enough to press Johnson and chums about his 'Oven Ready Deal' so stop complaining now.

I know I have already said words to this effect, but I intend to keep on. In 2016 yes, the form of withdrawal was up for grabs, by December 2019 it wasn't.

DGRossetti · 25/09/2020 19:31

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Westministender: Amen to that!
ListeningQuietly · 25/09/2020 20:06

the M20 next year

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KonTikki · 25/09/2020 20:14

LQ
Excellent - that's hilarious Smile

HateIsNotGood · 25/09/2020 20:32

LQ - isn't that more a Covid-related 'stockpiling thing? Anyway it goes to show UK White Van Person still has a sense of humour despite being demonized due to their 'working vehicle' choices.

Possibly when the manual trades pay more attention to their colourways when choosing a functional vehicle and not consider the bashing about their expensively 'wrapped' unpractical vehicle takes instead - this old joke might fade away.

Possibly more of my 'dissonance' but seems the 'intelligentsia' and richer still like taking the piss out of the poorer, manual trades - still after all these 100s of years.

Anyway makes a nice change from "Clean Me".

I heard last week that the UK were willing to make some Fishing Concessions in the Brexit Negotiations; does anyone here have any info about that?

yoikes · 25/09/2020 20:40

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HateIsNotGood · 25/09/2020 20:49

Don't be silly yoikes some of us here are able to listen and hear what others have to say and have done so for a number of years.

yoikes · 25/09/2020 21:14

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pointythings · 25/09/2020 21:19

'Colourways'? I haven't heard that one since about 1995.

No-one on here has been classist at all, Hate. Wouldn't you just love it if we were?

Pepperwort · 25/09/2020 21:32

If we do get a deal I will be over the moon. Perhaps that's what all the fluff in the media is about - going on about worse case scenario to get acceptance for leaving with any deal.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2020 21:38

As for who is taking the piss out of manual trades and everyone else ....

The total fuckup of testing that makes so many people lose several days pay, taking the piss out of them by having an unqualified crony in charge

The "moonshot" of rapid tests and that Tory crony wanting to charge people,
so those who pay would get 30 minute tests; those who can't carry on waiting

The lack of sick pay so the least well workers supposed to isolate can't pay their bills

The total fuckup of Brexit meaning goods drivers will need Kent Access passes, will have to park and queue for hours / days longer, jobs at risk with the extra costs

Just a few examples of the Torty elite totally taking the piss out of manual workers and eveyone else

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2020 21:46

Some like to play the victim card that Remainers are an elite are looking down on Leavers,
because it helps distract them from how the Tory elite broke their promises and are delivering a totally fucked up Brexit

"only an idiot would leave the Single Market"

"we hold all the cards"

"easiest trade deal in history"

Anyone who believed those Brexiter promises might now be indulging in displacement activities too,
anything but look at how the Tories have made a crisis into a disaster for both Covid and Brexit .... and the NHS and ....

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2020 21:47

Taking the piss:

"World-beating" test system

"World-beating" track & trace"

ListeningQuietly · 25/09/2020 21:58

Hateisnotgood
In the technical parlance ODFOD with the manual trades crap.
My tax clients vary between the uneducated and the legally illiterate
but that is a failing of Govian schooling, not them

the country has been actively encouraged to ignore experts
the country has been told to ^fuck business
it has been told to get Brexit done
with an oven ready deal

Do not blame us for being cynical
blame the lying shits

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2020 22:05

(paywall) FT: Rebellion and defeat looming - Covid laws

imo, HoC should vote on all future Covid measures
and the Covid emergency powers should need to be renewed by vote every month

https://www.ft.com/content/2baa55e2-6655-4b3e-8a74-aa0c7e5f31b9

UK opposition parties are uniting around a plan to defeat Boris Johnson in a crucial vote next week
by joining forces with a large group of Conservative backbenchers to give parliament a bigger say over any further coronavirus restrictions.

At least 60 Tory rebels are expected to be joined by Labour, the Scottish National party and other smaller parties to defeat the government
and back an amendment tagged on to a vote to renew emergency powers given to the prime minister when the pandemic hit in March.

The level of support among Tory MPs for the amendment, which was proposed by Graham Brady, a senior Conservative and chair of the influential 1922 committee of MPs,
would overturn Mr Johnson’s 80-seat majority for the first time since December’s election.
....
One Tory MP said:
“There is a constituency of about 100 or so MPs in the party who loathe Boris. Hmm
But when you add the libertarians who dislike these measures, you get a majority who are angry.”

Another said
“there is a really mutinous feeling in the air, a sense that he [Mr Johnson] has lost control of his own party.”

Concerns among the party’s MPs that Mr Johnson has taken the wrong approach were underlined by their positive response to chancellor Rishi Sunak’s winter economic plan on Thursday.
They particularly welcomed the chancellor’s message that “we must learn to live with it, and live without fear”.

A number of backbenches have warned Number 10 against further nationwide coronavirus measures - such as restricting households in England from meeting up.
“Not allowing families to meet is a deeply un-Conservative thing, even to say it aloud seems a mad proposal,”one said.
...
One government official who has seen him up close said:
“Boris is stuck in the wrong gear, he’s constantly struggling to be on top of events.
He doesn’t do well when he is constantly on the back foot
and he hasn’t felt in control of events since the pandemic began.”

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2020 22:20

Peter Fosterr@pmdfoster*

So first the 'come on' - Per UK side to JG "we really need to begin the intensive talks to resolve the final tricky issues."

There is talk of an October 'tunnel' before EUCO - but ONLY if
a) UK restores trust after law-breaking threats &
b) and landing zone is in sight

So on the 'trust' front there are signs that UK realises that it totally overcooked it

  • but "the gun remains on the table".

So before a tunnel something still needs to be done on that

  • like agree that the over-write "notwithstanding clauses" fall in ping-pong.

Whether private assurances are enough on this, it is not clear.

One of the big problems with the UKIM move is that it has fatally raised questions about whether the UK's word -
@BorisJohnson word
- is still the UK's bond.

Our word is our bond - until it's not

< stupid, dreadful mistake that BJ made, even disregarding the morality of breaking a newly signed treaty >

borntobequiet · 25/09/2020 22:24

Anecdata but I work with many apprentices and tradesmen. One and all they loathe Johnson because a) he’s a privileged twat b) he’s a cheating bastard c) he’s a liar d) he’s set to destroy their livelihoods.

SabrinaThwaite · 25/09/2020 22:52

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SabrinaThwaite · 25/09/2020 22:57

Try again.

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RedToothBrush · 25/09/2020 23:01

Mark Cockerton@CockertonMark
“Ministers’ plan to save Christmas at all costs”.
I’d have thought saving lives was more of a priority than saving popularity.
Please Santa could you bring us proper leadership.
#TomorrowsPapersToday

Populism laid bare.

I guess we will be getting our Christmas then.

New Year on the other hand might be a magic bubble of exploding unicorn poop.

Joy. I think DH and I are off to look for a chest freezer this weekend. Predictions of the great mozzeralla shortage of 2021 loom.

Don't the government know the average family eats pizza at least once a week, and I'm betting that if they are deprived of that, they aren't going to be much happier than they are to christmas being cancelled...

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DrBlackbird · 25/09/2020 23:46

BCF May I ask the general area of the country, DrB ? West Midlands. ICU at 100% capacity. The Head of the Trust was saying none of the Drs had the energy or inclination to go through another Covid surge. Made me think of Squid.

DGR you survived the interview Wine

HoneysuckIejasmine · 25/09/2020 23:53

The decorator coming to my house this week has a higher hourly rate than I did as a teacher (especially considering teachers are only paid for 25 hours a week so our hourly rate looks v generous but is of course at least halved by the hours you actually work). I have the greatest respect for skilled trades. They are worth every penny.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/09/2020 00:25

@DrBlackbird

BCF May I ask the general area of the country, DrB ? West Midlands. ICU at 100% capacity. The Head of the Trust was saying none of the Drs had the energy or inclination to go through another Covid surge. Made me think of Squid.

DGR you survived the interview Wine

.... Thanks for the update, DrB
Sostenueto · 26/09/2020 07:15

23:53HoneysuckIejasmine
I need a dog walker pretty bad and finding it so difficult now to give her a decent walk. But I will have to struggle on as the cheapest dog walker is £15 an hour which is £7 an hour more than my DD earns looking after young adults with severe autism and severe learning difficulties. I will not pay someone who needs very little skill to walk my dog more than what my DD earns for a highly skilled and dangerous job. It's disgusting. Even cleaners want £15 an hour and my gardener charges me £14 to mow my lawn which is 10'by 10'. Everyone seems to be making money other than my DD grrr!

DrBlackbird · 26/09/2020 08:14

Does anyone know exactly what EU rules do not allow under the 'no state support' limitations? Apart from fishing, this seems to be the area often decried by Johnson and Co as the obstacle to a deal with the EU. Is this genuine or a red herring?

I know DC wants to pour millions into a UK Silicon Valley enriching himself and his mates before any successful UK tech firms are then snapped up by larger US tech firms but is R&D support truly not allowed under EU law's?

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