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Westministender: Amen to that!

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RedToothBrush · 20/09/2020 20:52

On the Anniversary of the Battle of Britain, Johnson went to Westminster Abbey and was trolled. Its almost divine in its irony.

In a week where just about the entire right wing press has turned on him, for being... well shit... They have the dawning realisation that yes all those annoying lefties were right all along when they said he was full of nothing but hot air. He's been ridiculed for being paid £150,000 a year and not being able to feed his 5000 kids and the pictures to mark the anniversary of him becoming PM do little more than look like a man who couldn't tie his own shoe laces without a nanny to help him.

But its not really a laughing matter. This man doesn't understand what legal agreements he's signed so his solution to his ineptitude is to throw his toys out of the pram together with the rule of law. Which he also does not understand.

Johnson is also ever increasingly keen on ripping up inconvient human right and workers right and he has ample opportunity to do all this in the middle of a pandemic.

Unfortunately the hypocrisy of his cronies isn't exactly helping the behaviour of the public and you have to pity the poor behavioural scientists who have to tell him that 'of course the public are going to give you the vs when you tell them you shouldn't do this when your chief advisor claims to be maybe going blind'.

It seems the whole government strategy on managing the virus seems to be falling flat on its face rather sooner than planned cos they stuck Dildo in charge who wouldn't know her Rs from her elbow if it hit her in the face. And we've got Hancock going full on 1984, telling us not to believe the reports that no one can get a test because its all lies - except half the country has either first hand experience of the travesty of Track and Trace or has a close mate who they know is a hell of a lot more reliable than any of these fuckwits when it comes to telling the truth.

Meanwhile in America Bader Ginsburg has managed to die at possibly the most inconvient and dangerous time possible just as the future of democracy in the US is clinging on by its finger nails.

And yes. Money laundering. Haven't we talked about that a lot on these threads. Its almost as if FinCEN was predictable...

Taking back control was always about the elite taking back control from the masses. But if you've managed to keep following all this time, we've been saying that since April 2016 and no one listened then, so why would they start listening now?

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BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2020 15:48

@DGRossetti

I found out from a newspaper that Matt Hancock is a twat.

I'm certainly no anti-vaxxer. But if you think I'm going to let someone stick a syringe with "Approved by Boris" down the side into me, they can FROTTFSOFATFOSM

www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/09/24/no-conflict-of-interest-in-vallance-holding-vaccine-company-shares-hancock/

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said he found out from a newspaper about UK chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance’s shares in a drug company contracted to develop a coronavirus vaccine for the Government.

But the Cabinet minister denied there was a conflict of interest in Sir Patrick, who leads the Government’s expert advisory panel on vaccines, reportedly holding shares worth £600,000 in pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline (GSK).

.... In normal times, my eyebrows would raise, but they rocketed off the top of my head some momnths ago

After all the crony contracts given without competition, ministers must think Vallance's 600k flutter is totes normal, only remarkable for being so small (to them)

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2020 15:51

DG I'll probably take an "approved by Merkel", but I wouldn't trust any of the Brexshitters

  • why should anyone trust liars and law-breakers

However, the Oxford vaccine team seem a decent bunch, so depite bleeding edge vaccine tech, I'd trust them a fait bit, not the govt

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2020 15:52

< unjams keyboard & smacks it >

Darker · 24/09/2020 16:09

I'm in despair. It's such a mess. We are facing the decimation of entire industries.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2020 16:16

(((Zoe Williams))))@zoesqwilliams*

I actually have Kentish grandparents, thank goodness

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2020 16:28

Sunak is late on VAT

  • Here we've had 5% VAT since 1 July until 31 December for restaurants and some other businesses, 16% on others
It has encouraged more people to buy again I bought a little dinghy Wink

His work scheme does look vaguely like Kurzarbeit tweaked enough so as not to be so noticeable

It will keep paying most bills for those people on it - working only 1/3 of hours, people can try to top up income from elsewhere

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2020 16:34

This does highlight the risks that SE people face
and the much more limited govt help they can usually expect

Some are in jobs where they had no choice about SE - it's genuinely all there is - but some did and gambled that they'd earn more as SE than as employees

noone plans for a pandemic, but SE & small businesses are hit particularly hard whenever there is a crisis affecting people's willingness / ability to spend

ListeningQuietly · 24/09/2020 16:37

It will keep paying most bills for those people on it - working only 1/3 of hours, people can try to top up income from elsewhere
With English rental prices, it will not even cover the rent for many
and with city centres emptying, there ain't no work around for those without the few relevant skills

anybody with savings will have to burn through them until they are eligible for UC
so much for planning for financial independence in our old age

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2020 16:43

They will get 77% of pay for 33% of hours

Peregrina · 24/09/2020 16:44

Well, will people make the connection that this shitty Government with its austerity is much to blame for many of the problems caused? Covid-19 has only gone and highlighted something which was already unhealthy.

I suppose not though.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2020 16:47

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22% from govt + 55% from employer = 77% pay

A good deal - for those with employers who will pay 55% pay for 33% hours worked

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BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2020 16:56

Meanwhile, the normal depressing shit continues:

Investigation launched after black barrister mistaken for defendant three times in a day

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/sep/24/investigation-launched-after-black-barrister-mistaken-for-defendant-three-times-in-a-day

Amanda Pinto QC, chair of the Bar Council, called the incident “appalling”.
She said:
“With regret, I fear Alexandra’s experience is not a one-off.
Many barristers have to put up with the prejudiced assumptions of others – Alexandra has done so with exemplary grace and patience.
I am speaking directly with HMCTS, the senior judiciary and the CPS [Crown Prosecution Service] immediately, urging more to be done to stamp out this behaviour.

“The barristers’ profession is always striving to be more representative of the society it serves.
There is more to do to change the perception of the bar, but that is no excuse for the kind of attitudes and remarks described.

We are not all white, middle-class men.”

It comes after official figures revealed people from black, Asian and minority ethnic backgrounds are less likely to be successful when applying to become a judge, and only 9% were senior barristers.

Last week a Ministry of Justice report found BAME people “over-represented in applications for judicial appointment” but are “less likely to be successful”.

ListeningQuietly · 24/09/2020 16:57

But a very bad deal for those who will be receiving P45s
the 10pm curfew will just make it worse
and those who have been furloughed on zero hours (in the many, many closed sectors of the economy)
will also be getting P45s

RedToothBrush · 24/09/2020 17:03

Just reading a report which points out that:

^Patterns of results were similar for all outcomes. Lower adherence was associated with being male, younger age, having a dependent child in the household, lower socio-economic grade, greater hardship, and being less informed about COVID-19 and guidance to prevent the
spread of the virus (e.g. not being able to identify key symptoms of COVID-19, not knowing government guidance if you were to develop symptoms of COVID-19, and disagreeing that someone can spread COVID-19 even if they are asymptomatic)^

If you lose your job you are more likely to not comply with covid restrictions and need for testing...

...so as the economics get worst...

...Tory government struggling to understand a) the implications b) why this might happen.

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DGRossetti · 24/09/2020 17:04

This does highlight the risks that SE people face and the much more limited govt help they can usually expect

I thought it was a pillar of Tory ideology that self employed was noble ?

I guess they've turned socialist ? One Nation Socialist ? The Onan party ?

RedToothBrush · 24/09/2020 17:18

We have a Tory Party Rebellion incoming...

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2020 17:22

Graham Brady (who I note here, opposed covid restrictions in Trafford where he is MP for wealthy Altrincham)

has tabled an amendment to the upcoming scheduled review to the Coronavirus Act calling for more parliamentary oversight into covid restriction (in an effort to prevent rule by decree which has been happening on this subject).

Its got 40 Tory MPs named as supporting the amendment plus 6 other MPs.

40 is the magic number.

Could get interesting.

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DGRossetti · 24/09/2020 17:23

@RedToothBrush

We have a Tory Party Rebellion incoming...
I wonder what the line will finally turn out to be ? It's obviously not needless cruel deaths (which I suspect are a mission statement).

Maybe it's because we're not pulling the gold fillings out of the corpses ?

DGRossetti · 24/09/2020 17:24

@RedToothBrush

Graham Brady (who I note here, opposed covid restrictions in Trafford where he is MP for wealthy Altrincham)

has tabled an amendment to the upcoming scheduled review to the Coronavirus Act calling for more parliamentary oversight into covid restriction (in an effort to prevent rule by decree which has been happening on this subject).

Its got 40 Tory MPs named as supporting the amendment plus 6 other MPs.

40 is the magic number.

Could get interesting.

Oh, that's old news. I posted it last week (I think).

Won't happen. He's yesterdays man. The 1922 committee are pretty much the 78 rpm of politics. Apart from the black bit, they don't half whine and hiss.

unmarkedbythat · 24/09/2020 17:26

Are Labour and the Libs opposing?

RedToothBrush · 24/09/2020 17:26

I doubt it will happen BUT theres likely to be some backroom dealing going on...

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DGRossetti · 24/09/2020 17:28

@RedToothBrush

I doubt it will happen BUT theres likely to be some backroom dealing going on...
Oh, he'll believe a Boris promise ? Because that's worked so well so far.

Any Dr. Who fans ? Who remembers the moment the Daleks decided they could do without Davros ?

ListeningQuietly · 24/09/2020 17:28

A depressing read but at least we have been warned
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424

RedToothBrush · 24/09/2020 17:29

"Build 40 new hospitals"

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/london-hospitals-sick-children-turned-away-covid-patients-a4555011.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1600958808
Sick children to be turned away from two major London A&Es to make way for Covid patients

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BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2020 17:29

@ListeningQuietly

But a very bad deal for those who will be receiving P45s the 10pm curfew will just make it worse and those who have been furloughed on zero hours (in the many, many closed sectors of the economy) will also be getting P45s
... The 77% scheme help those with employers who are willing & able to pay 55% for 33% hours

There are a lot of workers missed out, but so many people keep claiming the country is too broke to pay anyone
i.e. they want millions more people to go on UC / run down their savings until they qualify

SE never have security;
those SE with no choice, at the lower end of the pay scale, have always realised this