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Westministender: Amen to that!

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RedToothBrush · 20/09/2020 20:52

On the Anniversary of the Battle of Britain, Johnson went to Westminster Abbey and was trolled. Its almost divine in its irony.

In a week where just about the entire right wing press has turned on him, for being... well shit... They have the dawning realisation that yes all those annoying lefties were right all along when they said he was full of nothing but hot air. He's been ridiculed for being paid £150,000 a year and not being able to feed his 5000 kids and the pictures to mark the anniversary of him becoming PM do little more than look like a man who couldn't tie his own shoe laces without a nanny to help him.

But its not really a laughing matter. This man doesn't understand what legal agreements he's signed so his solution to his ineptitude is to throw his toys out of the pram together with the rule of law. Which he also does not understand.

Johnson is also ever increasingly keen on ripping up inconvient human right and workers right and he has ample opportunity to do all this in the middle of a pandemic.

Unfortunately the hypocrisy of his cronies isn't exactly helping the behaviour of the public and you have to pity the poor behavioural scientists who have to tell him that 'of course the public are going to give you the vs when you tell them you shouldn't do this when your chief advisor claims to be maybe going blind'.

It seems the whole government strategy on managing the virus seems to be falling flat on its face rather sooner than planned cos they stuck Dildo in charge who wouldn't know her Rs from her elbow if it hit her in the face. And we've got Hancock going full on 1984, telling us not to believe the reports that no one can get a test because its all lies - except half the country has either first hand experience of the travesty of Track and Trace or has a close mate who they know is a hell of a lot more reliable than any of these fuckwits when it comes to telling the truth.

Meanwhile in America Bader Ginsburg has managed to die at possibly the most inconvient and dangerous time possible just as the future of democracy in the US is clinging on by its finger nails.

And yes. Money laundering. Haven't we talked about that a lot on these threads. Its almost as if FinCEN was predictable...

Taking back control was always about the elite taking back control from the masses. But if you've managed to keep following all this time, we've been saying that since April 2016 and no one listened then, so why would they start listening now?

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DGRossetti · 24/09/2020 17:31

Sick children to be turned away from two major London A&Es to make way for Covid patients

One is going to be a Tim ....

PawFives · 24/09/2020 18:13

Doesn’t a Westministender regular live in Kent? Wonder what she makes of the ‘plans’ for Kent?

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2020 18:15

Will she be sorting Kent citizenship for her family ?

DGRossetti · 24/09/2020 19:15

Ah, breaking the law. Once you start ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54274605

Undercover informants working for the police and MI5 are going to be explicitly permitted for the first time under British law to commit crimes

(contd)

Imagine discovering your loved one was murdered by an authorised MI5 operation since:

The law will not specify exactly which crimes can be committed.

And critics are urging MPs to amend the proposed law to rule out murder and serious violence.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2020 19:37

We already had the armed forces overseas bill to effectively give immunity for war crimes - like murder & torture - to British personnel who manage to avoid prosecution for 5 years

And of course would be quietly extended to all the security services, or it would be "unfair"

Starmer whipped his MPs to abstain on the bill
Cynical decision - foreigners are expendable if it helps rebuild Labour's tough guy image and popularity with authoritarian voters

ListeningQuietly · 24/09/2020 19:40

Starmer whipped his MPs to abstain on the bill
Cynical decision - foreigners are expendable if it helps rebuild Labour's tough guy image and popularity with authoritarian voters
Doubly cynical as it allowed him to demote some more Corbynites Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2020 19:42

SNP and LDems voted against

Murder & torture by armed forces in a conflict
are war crimes under international law, with no statute of limitations

Starmer has sacked 3 junior shadow ministers who joined with Corbyn and 14 other rebels in breaking the whip by voting against the 2nd reading

A very rare occasion on which I agree with Corbyn - can't remember the last time !

Does not increase my confidence that Starmer would be a good PM
Makes him look cynical and unscupulous

OchonAgusOchonO · 24/09/2020 20:30

@DGRossetti

Ah, breaking the law. Once you start ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54274605

Undercover informants working for the police and MI5 are going to be explicitly permitted for the first time under British law to commit crimes

(contd)

Imagine discovering your loved one was murdered by an authorised MI5 operation since:

The law will not specify exactly which crimes can be committed.

And critics are urging MPs to amend the proposed law to rule out murder and serious violence.

It may not have been explicit previously, but it was standard in NI where collusion with loyalists was the norm.
Pepperwort · 24/09/2020 21:29

Starmer has sacked 3 junior shadow ministers who joined with Corbyn and 14 other rebels in breaking the whip by voting against the 2nd reading
BBC says he sacked one, and the other two "stepped down" - but they were told that if they voted against the whip they would have to resign.
It's exactly what Johnson did, and the furore over that was immense. It seems it's the new normal now. I can understand the concerns about vexatious complaints, but what happens when something real crops up??

DGRossetti · 24/09/2020 21:39

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Westministender: Amen to that!
BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2020 21:57

Sometimes on an important issue, an MP on a matter of principal has to vote against the party whip,
because the party policy is wrong on a serious issue

Naturally, if someone has been a rebellious contrarian on the wrong side of most disputes for most of his career,
it will have a lot less impact and he will get less support than someone who is normally loyal

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2020 21:59

Raab has to convey a simple message - and fucks up that one thing

Raab was confusing 🤦🏻‍♀️ in a Sky News interview
and I've already had to correct an MN poster whothinks Raab meant that 7% of airport positives are false

SkyNews@SkyNews

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab says the "challenge" with testing for ‪#COVID19‬ in airports is 'the very high false positive rate'
and adds 'only 7% of tests will be successful in identifying those who have the virus'.
(video)
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1308655561081225217

What Raab meant - if he understood the governments own publications -
is that there is a very high false negative rate especially on day of arrival

This government study on double testing for airport arrivals showed that
on day of arrival, only 7% of infected people showed as positive

However, after isolation, a 2nd test picked up 86% of those infected on day 6, or 98% if tested on day 10

Investigation into the effectiveness of “double testing” travellers incoming to the UK for signs of COVID-19 infection

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/909382/s0544-phe-double-testing-travellers-170620-sage-42.pdf

DrBlackbird · 24/09/2020 22:38

Our local main hospital is running out of ICU beds apparently due to Covid. So whilst some hospitals may not be seeing increases in serious Covid admissions, that's not the case in our area.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2020 22:40

May I ask the general area of the country, DrB ?

TatianaBis · 24/09/2020 23:06

Undercover informants working for the police and MI5 are going to be explicitly permitted for the first time under British law to commit crimes

Technically they always have. All that’s changed is that it has been admitted.

AuldAlliance · 25/09/2020 05:16

Where I live has now been designated at "maximum critical level." Bars and restaurants to close as of tomorrow night.
And still no definite decision to switch to remote teaching on my campus, despite the Uni head recommending it strongly...

Am following the thread, in a fog of exhaustion.

pinkbalconyrailing · 25/09/2020 06:13

I'm looking forward to driving on the right in kent and to shooping at carrefour...

the false positive thing is conveyed to badly in the media. as bcf explained 'false' negative (or better undetectable infections) are mich more of a problem.

Peregrina · 25/09/2020 06:38

I prefer Auchon myself..... but if there are log jams in Kent then it will be difficult to access them.

But honestly, it was bad enough that Johnson and cronies were happy to vote to put a border in the Irish Sea but then start madly trying to justify why breaking international law is OK when they realised what they had voted through. Who thought that they would stick a border in Kent? Where is Clavinova to cut n' paste and tell us that this is exactly what she wanted and how wonderful it will be?

Mistigri · 25/09/2020 06:38

Starmer whipped his MPs to abstain on the bill
Cynical decision - foreigners are expendable if it helps rebuild Labour's tough guy image and popularity with authoritarian voters

I don't think this is true actually.

Starmer can't defeat the bill (Tory majority too large). I know that we don't care about parliamentary tradition and practice any more, even on this thread, but the conventional thing for the opposition to do on a bill they can't defeat but want to amend is to abstain then attempt to amend the bill during the committee stages.

Peregrina · 25/09/2020 06:53

Mistigri - could you explain why that is? If they vote against are they somehow closing the door on an amendment?

I am not sure that we don't care for Parliamentary tradition and practice any more, it's just that IMO it's got to the stage where laws are not being passed for the good of the country, but to enrich cronies. In those cases I think we have to ask, 'is this law just and therefore we should follow it?' Just blindly following a law which we think is wrong and immoral is not all that far from trying to defend an action on the basis 'I was only obeying an order'.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 25/09/2020 07:00

It's exactly what Johnson did, and the furore over that was immense. It seems it's the new normal now.

Looks like a race to the bottom. Labour are not going to out patriot the Tories. Its a fight they don't need to start let alone lose. A rabbit hole they don't need to disappear down. I'm suprized Westminstenders didn't pick up on Nandy's comments the other day (Radio 4 interview). Labour should be better than this, much better. Terrible optics. Appealing to people who will never vote Labour anyway and reenforcing the nationalistic narrative that has poisioned political discourse in this country.

Meanwhile, this is the type of MP Labour need to be embracing not alienting;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-54177461

Peregrina · 25/09/2020 07:04

I agree Ghost and appealing to people who will never vote Labour is likely to antagonise existing support. However, I suspect it's all more nuanced than we realise.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 25/09/2020 07:16

@Peregrina

I agree Ghost and appealing to people who will never vote Labour is likely to antagonise existing support. However, I suspect it's all more nuanced than we realise.
Any nuance is going to be lost on just about everybody. Many Labour supporters will already be appalled by the last few days. Leave voters/non Labour voters won't care because Johnson/Farage will always flag wave with more perceived gusto.

More nationalism will not reunite the country - it is already a major source of the UK's division. At least any notion of the broad church has been put to bed.

Darker · 25/09/2020 07:18

It feels like the UK has become ungovernable.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 25/09/2020 07:35

I pretty politically aware but must say I've no idea why I should be appalled over Labour in the last few days. 🤷🏻‍♀️