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Westministender: Amen to that!

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RedToothBrush · 20/09/2020 20:52

On the Anniversary of the Battle of Britain, Johnson went to Westminster Abbey and was trolled. Its almost divine in its irony.

In a week where just about the entire right wing press has turned on him, for being... well shit... They have the dawning realisation that yes all those annoying lefties were right all along when they said he was full of nothing but hot air. He's been ridiculed for being paid £150,000 a year and not being able to feed his 5000 kids and the pictures to mark the anniversary of him becoming PM do little more than look like a man who couldn't tie his own shoe laces without a nanny to help him.

But its not really a laughing matter. This man doesn't understand what legal agreements he's signed so his solution to his ineptitude is to throw his toys out of the pram together with the rule of law. Which he also does not understand.

Johnson is also ever increasingly keen on ripping up inconvient human right and workers right and he has ample opportunity to do all this in the middle of a pandemic.

Unfortunately the hypocrisy of his cronies isn't exactly helping the behaviour of the public and you have to pity the poor behavioural scientists who have to tell him that 'of course the public are going to give you the vs when you tell them you shouldn't do this when your chief advisor claims to be maybe going blind'.

It seems the whole government strategy on managing the virus seems to be falling flat on its face rather sooner than planned cos they stuck Dildo in charge who wouldn't know her Rs from her elbow if it hit her in the face. And we've got Hancock going full on 1984, telling us not to believe the reports that no one can get a test because its all lies - except half the country has either first hand experience of the travesty of Track and Trace or has a close mate who they know is a hell of a lot more reliable than any of these fuckwits when it comes to telling the truth.

Meanwhile in America Bader Ginsburg has managed to die at possibly the most inconvient and dangerous time possible just as the future of democracy in the US is clinging on by its finger nails.

And yes. Money laundering. Haven't we talked about that a lot on these threads. Its almost as if FinCEN was predictable...

Taking back control was always about the elite taking back control from the masses. But if you've managed to keep following all this time, we've been saying that since April 2016 and no one listened then, so why would they start listening now?

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baroqueandblue · 22/09/2020 22:04

PM urges nation to 'get through winter together' in televised address

This is the problem. In the last 10 years we've had the abject failure of so-called One Nation Conservatism, and the deeply divisive and destructive Vote Leave campaign cheerled by Johnson himself. Now, at a critical point in which we need behavioural concensus as a nation, he is flailing around for language that he hasn't previously gleefully hollowed out. It isn't working because this is his mindless vision for the country coming back to haunt him. His ill will has made his use of 'together' meaningless. Risible.

Is it true he had the nerve to use the word 'spiritual' in his trouserless speech?!

colouringindoors · 22/09/2020 22:06

Discipline, resolve... bollocks when Cummings and other Tories don't bother following the rules.

colouringindoors · 22/09/2020 22:09

Based on tonight's announcements.... i wish I was living in Scotland. (Landscape, humour, culture also fab Wink)

BigChocFrenzy · 22/09/2020 23:24

Impossible to get a country to come together to get through a crisis

when the leader & party in power has spent the last 4 years stirring up divisions, setting people against each other, creating scapegoats

and of course, demonising "experts"
... whom we are now all expected to believe again

BigChocFrenzy · 22/09/2020 23:26

and claiming it is right to deliberately break international law,
but the plebs must obey the national law

Sostenueto · 23/09/2020 06:39

:04baroqueandblue

Never a truer words spoken.

Peregrina · 23/09/2020 07:14

Back in March-April there was a feeling of us being together to beat this virus. Then we had a succession of highly connected people, Niall Ferguson springs to mind, who broke the rules. He at least resigned, then Cummings happened, and instead of sacking him immediately, excuses were made for him. That's when the trust was lost, and won't be easily regained.

It's the same with breaking international law - which they haven't done yet, but they still might, so the trust has been broken.

wherearemychickens · 23/09/2020 07:29

I am still mad about Cummings, and Johnson not sacking him, compounding it. My Dad had a mini stroke mid lockdown, my Mum was shielding and I /didn't/ go to see them because I thought I was following the rules and doing the right thing. I was fucking furious for 48 hours the weekend that all came out.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 23/09/2020 07:46

www.gov.uk/create-coronavirus-qr-poster

From the 24th September, businesses open to the public will be required to display a QR code for people to scan with their 'NHS' Covid app.

Peregrina · 23/09/2020 08:15

So a QR code will be available tomorrow - and then what? I don't think I have an NHS Covid app on my phone, and don't intend to install it either.

Now if they had put Public Health first back in March/April instead of providing bungs to cronies, I might have remained more minded to follow the rules.

QueenOfThorns · 23/09/2020 08:19

The creature that calls itself Gove is busy setting up hauliers as scapegoats come January, when Kent becomes a lorry park: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54260470

Because it’ll totally be the fault of the drivers not having the right paperwork and nothing to do with the fact that the Government doesn’t have any system in place for border controls Hmm

pointythings · 23/09/2020 08:39

I won't be getting any app supported by this government. They can fuck right off.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/09/2020 08:46

Brexit - disunited UK:

JERSEY may seek to broker its own deal with the EU if it is unhappy with arrangements at the end of the Brexit negotiating period, the External Relations Minister has said.

jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2020/09/22/island-may-seek-own-eu-deal-if-unhappy-with-uks/

prettybird · 23/09/2020 08:52

Negotiating directly with the EU would require agreement from the UK in the form of an ‘entrustment’ to allow the Island to sign its own international treaty.

Speaking as a Scot, good luck with that Wink

BigChocFrenzy · 23/09/2020 08:59

Disunited and confused:

DUP minister Edwin Poots says legal advice told him to allow Irish Sea border

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/dup-minister-edwin-poots-says-legal-advice-told-him-allow-irish-sea-border-2980135

DUP minister Edwin Poots has said that he was given legal advice that
if he instructed his civil servants to refuse to help construct Irish Sea border checks that they may be able to disregard his wishes.
....
Eleven days ago the agriculture and environment minister did a U-turn on a U-turn
– recanting on his decision earlier that week to tell his officials to halt work on the border, which itself had been a change of stance from previous months where he permitted that work to go on

Whitehall department DEFRA has made clear it did not need to deploy the nuclear option for the government if Mr Poots was standing in the way of Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal being implemented,
by ordering him under Section 26 of the Northern Ireland Act to do the work.

< note: DEFRA ordering him to do the work - Useless Eustice George Eustice (thinks) he runs DEFRA, but may know nothing of this ! >

BigChocFrenzy · 23/09/2020 09:00

@prettybird

Negotiating directly with the EU would require agreement from the UK in the form of an ‘entrustment’ to allow the Island to sign its own international treaty.

Speaking as a Scot, good luck with that Wink

.... They may join you in having an Indie ref !
Peregrina · 23/09/2020 09:03

Indie from what though? The Channel Islands aren't part of the UK, and aren't in the EU.

Peregrina · 23/09/2020 09:05

What would amuse me, if it wasn't so serious, is the existence of these 1001 issues which need resolution, which no one has even thought about. Now if they had taken the job seriously back in 2016 and drawn up a list of them, instead of posturing and sloganising, they could have worked through some already.

52andblue · 23/09/2020 09:15

Re last nights speech by Johnson - I couldn't agree with you more @baroqueandblue
I was listening carefully, and part of my mind was wondering if there was anyone / thing behind his eyes at all, and then he said: 'spiritual'
how DARE he? how bloody dare he? I was so angry at that.
Churches closed at Easter (and for months after). Eid was cancelled.
People died alone, including a 13 year old boy, family shut out.
What about their spirits / their comfort?
Whilst he and his ministers failed to take it seriously / broke the rules/ and he now tells us about the 'spiritual' aspects of his thoughts re the virus containment? after he has popped over to Italy to christen one of his many children (7+ by at least 4 women) How DARE he?
he kids came through to see what I was howling at.
Ds was on the phone to a friend and said: 'oh, its just Mum shouting at Boris again' I told him I felt 'gaslighted' by the Govt. Ooops.

ListeningQuietly · 23/09/2020 09:19

I have had to stop watching all video news, even online.
It makes me too angry.

And the 7000 lorry queues in Kent
I told you so in early 2016
The fact that all roads into and out of Kent will need to be monitored by the police will go down like a bag of sick as well.

OchonAgusOchonO · 23/09/2020 09:27

The Northern Ireland Assembly on Tuesday approved a motion rejecting the UK Internal Market Bill and mandating Arlene Foster and Michelle O’Neill to take up a position opposing it.

SDLP South Belfast MLA Matthew O’Toole, who tabled the motion, said the UK government was developing a reputation as an irresponsible actor on the international stage. “But let us be clear that this Assembly rejects the Internal Market Bill, upholds the principles which have underpinned our institutions and affirms that commitments made in peace agreements and international treaties should not be the plaything of demagogues,” he said.

Source: www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/brexit-law-breaking-uk-legislation-moves-one-step-closer-to-enactment-1.4361862

52andblue · 23/09/2020 09:35

@ListeningQuietly - Yes!
I'd only just regained my equilibrium from realising that his earlier comments in Parliament about 'the Military backing up the Police' for a 6 month (plus?) period nicely covers the beginning of the Brexit actual logistical shambles re Kentish lorry parks with food etc stuck in lorries. If he can get the Coronavirus bill extended / use Emergency powers for this then it will be useful re protests / riots

My elderly parents who both live there and both voted Tory and Brexit (despite being working class) will blame 'the French'. They always do :(

Peregrina · 23/09/2020 09:36

The fact that all roads into and out of Kent will need to be monitored by the police will go down like a bag of sick as well.

Why should that be? Surely this is what they want to happen? Wink Kent voted Leave in 2016 and most of Kent returned Tory MPs in 2019 on the slogan 'Get Brexit Done' but giving Johnson carte blanche to negotiate whatever, or not.

OchonAgusOchonO · 23/09/2020 09:37

[quote BigChocFrenzy]Brexit - disunited UK:

JERSEY may seek to broker its own deal with the EU if it is unhappy with arrangements at the end of the Brexit negotiating period, the External Relations Minister has said.

jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2020/09/22/island-may-seek-own-eu-deal-if-unhappy-with-uks/[/quote]
How would that work though? Would Jersey need to renage on the Jersey-UK customs arrangement they signed in 2018 www.gov.je/Government/Departments/JerseyWorld/pages/relationshipeuanduk.aspx?

On 26 November 2018 the Minister for External Relations signed the Jersey-UK Customs Arrangement, which establishes a customs union between Jersey and the United Kingdom.

The two essential elements of establishing a customs union are that the parties agree:

- not to impose import tariffs for goods passing between themselves

  • to impose a common external tariff on goods from places outside the customs union^

According to that deal, if the UK revert to WTO terms, Jersey would need to apply the same tariffs on EU goods.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/09/2020 09:43

imo Jersey have little chance of being allowed - at least by the UK - to negotiate

However, does illustrate Disunited UK

  • some areas outside England are very unhappy with what the Brexiters are landing them in

Gibraltar too: their interests - and 96% Remain vote - ignored, but no power to change their fate

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