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Westministender: Amen to that!

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RedToothBrush · 20/09/2020 20:52

On the Anniversary of the Battle of Britain, Johnson went to Westminster Abbey and was trolled. Its almost divine in its irony.

In a week where just about the entire right wing press has turned on him, for being... well shit... They have the dawning realisation that yes all those annoying lefties were right all along when they said he was full of nothing but hot air. He's been ridiculed for being paid £150,000 a year and not being able to feed his 5000 kids and the pictures to mark the anniversary of him becoming PM do little more than look like a man who couldn't tie his own shoe laces without a nanny to help him.

But its not really a laughing matter. This man doesn't understand what legal agreements he's signed so his solution to his ineptitude is to throw his toys out of the pram together with the rule of law. Which he also does not understand.

Johnson is also ever increasingly keen on ripping up inconvient human right and workers right and he has ample opportunity to do all this in the middle of a pandemic.

Unfortunately the hypocrisy of his cronies isn't exactly helping the behaviour of the public and you have to pity the poor behavioural scientists who have to tell him that 'of course the public are going to give you the vs when you tell them you shouldn't do this when your chief advisor claims to be maybe going blind'.

It seems the whole government strategy on managing the virus seems to be falling flat on its face rather sooner than planned cos they stuck Dildo in charge who wouldn't know her Rs from her elbow if it hit her in the face. And we've got Hancock going full on 1984, telling us not to believe the reports that no one can get a test because its all lies - except half the country has either first hand experience of the travesty of Track and Trace or has a close mate who they know is a hell of a lot more reliable than any of these fuckwits when it comes to telling the truth.

Meanwhile in America Bader Ginsburg has managed to die at possibly the most inconvient and dangerous time possible just as the future of democracy in the US is clinging on by its finger nails.

And yes. Money laundering. Haven't we talked about that a lot on these threads. Its almost as if FinCEN was predictable...

Taking back control was always about the elite taking back control from the masses. But if you've managed to keep following all this time, we've been saying that since April 2016 and no one listened then, so why would they start listening now?

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DGRossetti · 23/09/2020 09:50

7,000 lorries in a queue means at least 7,000 drivers.

that's basically a permanent refugee camp. They will need sanitation and access to food and medical facilities.

Plus of course all lorry movements will have to be done within drivers hours.

I wonder what the state of play will be when drivers get off in France ? Will the same tacho rules apply ? If so are we going to see lorries immediately sent to rest on arrival ? And being charged by the French authorities for it ?

I ask these questions because you know when the shit hits the fan, Gove (rhymes with "loath") and his chums will be everywhere on TV saying they had no idea ...

52andblue · 23/09/2020 09:52

@Peregrina

The fact that all roads into and out of Kent will need to be monitored by the police will go down like a bag of sick as well.

Why should that be? Surely this is what they want to happen? Wink Kent voted Leave in 2016 and most of Kent returned Tory MPs in 2019 on the slogan 'Get Brexit Done' but giving Johnson carte blanche to negotiate whatever, or not.

@Peregrina

I am (ahem) around the age of 50 and still keep in touch with lots of old Schoolfriends from around the Canterbury area. I don't know one who (has yet) admitted to voting Leave or Tory but maybe that's anecdata? It has caused lots of rifts amongst generations. My parents tell me I 'don't understand because where I live I am not 'flooded with immigrants'. That is true, there are not boats turning up at my local beach. My local town is not flooded with day trippers (that fuel the economy, mind). They are shortsighted Daily Mail readers :( What pains me is that some people in their position felt that their 'protest vote to get the Govt to listen' might work. It did such damage.
Ditto re Sunderland (much closer to me, I used to work in the area). Real deprivation. Not much outright racisim but a HUGE frustration re the Govt who've been peddling 'the Nasty EU' trope for years. And enough people bought the lie. We are in for a shocking 12 months

DGRossetti · 23/09/2020 09:53

Gibraltar too: their interests - and 96% Remain vote - ignored, but no power to change their fate

I hope they speak Spanish ...

Peregrina · 23/09/2020 09:59

My thoughts too re Gibraltar, DGR - ask to rejoin Spain.

DGRossetti · 23/09/2020 10:06

@Peregrina

My thoughts too re Gibraltar, DGR - ask to rejoin Spain.
If the UK steams ahead through the WA, I don't think "ask" comes into it...

Spain would be entirely justified in occupying it to protect themselves from a rogue state.

DGRossetti · 23/09/2020 10:07

We are in for a shocking 12 months

Nice to see some optimism flourishing here. I was set for the rest of my life, in one way or another.

ListeningQuietly · 23/09/2020 10:19

52andblue
My informants are in Dover and the Engerland flags are there
and yet these same people know EXACTLY what happens when Stack goes pear shaped or when the docks clog.
The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

Its also the we have to leave the EU to stop the immigrants turning up on the beach
forgetting that Syria and Afghanistan are not actually IN the EU

52andblue · 23/09/2020 10:24

@DGRossetti

We are in for a shocking 12 months

Nice to see some optimism flourishing here. I was set for the rest of my life, in one way or another.

@DGRossetti Why shouldn't I say how I feel?

@ListeningQuietly
My informants are more the Canterbury / Whitstable area rather than Dover but cognitive dissonance is not geographically limited it's true.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/09/2020 10:39

@ListeningQuietly

52andblue My informants are in Dover and the Engerland flags are there and yet these same people know EXACTLY what happens when Stack goes pear shaped or when the docks clog. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

Its also the we have to leave the EU to stop the immigrants turning up on the beach
forgetting that Syria and Afghanistan are not actually IN the EU

... Displacement activity of fixing on a scapegoat ? because they voted for something which will be shit and they can't (yet) admit this
DGRossetti · 23/09/2020 10:41

Why shouldn't I say how I feel?

I'm not quite sure anyone has said you shouldn't ? Unless you interpret "people not agreeing with me" as somehow being a request to shut up ? Not sure that's how we do things in Britain.

My informants are more the Canterbury / Whitstable area rather than Dover but cognitive dissonance is not geographically limited it's true.

It would be interesting to see if predisposition to cognitive dissonance is inversely proportional to a grasp of geography (as it is with history).

ListeningQuietly · 23/09/2020 10:46

It would be interesting to see if predisposition to cognitive dissonance is inversely proportional to a grasp of geography (as it is with history).
Dominic Raab.
Case closed.

52andblue · 23/09/2020 10:47

Yes: a 'perfect storm' combo of DM reading racism, plus possibly lower education therefore not reading more deeply / widely, plus fear and resentment (scapegoats always handy) plus a horrible rightwing Government happy to gaslight & abuse these trends for their own ends

Which brings us to this pretty pass (therefore not optimistic re 12m)

52andblue · 23/09/2020 10:55

@DGRossetti

'Nice to see some optimism flourishing on here' -

This is not about agreeing / disagreeing -
re: the 'nice to see' comment which seemed unnecessary to me

Not sure what you mean by your 'not sure that's how we do things in Britain' comment?

Peregrina · 23/09/2020 10:59

Back in 2016 I think Leavers could almost be forgiven because 'No one is talking about leaving the single market', so they probably expected an EEA type arrangement. I think most of us did, and it would have been good enough for about 80% of the population.

Since December 2019, no, they knew that they were voting in a party lead by a liar and a cheat, so why did they expect him to treat them honourably?

Hmm Kent - poorly educated? They have grammar schools, which so many on MN sing the praises of.

prettybird · 23/09/2020 10:59

52andblue - I think DGR was admiring your optimism, thinking it would "only" be shocking for 12 months Wink - he was thinking that it would be for the rest of his life and he's probably right, as far as England is concerned Sad

DGRossetti · 23/09/2020 11:02

re: the 'nice to see' comment which seemed unnecessary to me

It's how I feel. You stated how you felt. I stated how I felt. You then seemed to take umbrage at that, and here we are ....

Not sure what you mean by your 'not sure that's how we do things in Britain' comment?

It was snarky to the max ... because I'm human, it's pissing down, my son is worried about his future and like the worst parent in the world there's very little I can do to reassure him. All made worse by an immoveable sense that somehow I let him - and his generation down. And that's before I worry whether DW or I are to be saved or drowned.

So I apologise for the times I get unnecessarily snippy. But Churchill applies.

52andblue · 23/09/2020 11:13

@prettybird
I read your kind post and wondered if I had misread the tone? (easy)

But @DGRossetti's next post made me think I probably hadn't, sadly.

I am also sitting here in tears (for similar reasons, oddly) & I don't see how being 'snarky to the max' to strangers helps, but we are all different, so: - apology accepted.
Let's move on (& maybe leave Churchilll refs behind like BJ should ;)

52andblue · 23/09/2020 11:14

'Churchill' even ;)

ListeningQuietly · 23/09/2020 11:14

DG
All of us as parents are allowed to feel pretty snippy at times.
We have brought the kids up to work hard, look outwards, be informed
and as they reach adulthood they are emerging into .......
this utter shitstorm

I admit though I like the rain as its good for my vegetables Wink

quiteathome · 23/09/2020 11:17

Anyone else heard that there is a flu vaccine shortage? It came up on Twitter, not really seen any reports about it.

Apparantly a lot of people are having their vaccinations cancelled. (These are the people who pay for them. Obviously it makes sense to get them to the vulnerable first. I have one booked in a couple of weeks- will wait and see. )

Darker · 23/09/2020 11:18

I am heartbroken for my young people. Each is impacted differently by this. I am struck how when I catch up with them about how things are going we don't talk about the future much any more.

prettybird · 23/09/2020 11:23

I'm due to get a flu vaccination for the first time as I'm over 55 SmileBlush

I understand that up here, the campaign will start in October, concentrating on the more elderly, front line workers and the medically vulnerable/shielded, before doing the new "younger" Wink cohort in December.

52andblue · 23/09/2020 11:25

@quiteathome
My exH (asthmatic) has been offered a flu vaccine in Scotland.
Myself and my two kids have been offered one here in England.
Theirs is because they flag up on a system due to ASD, apparently, which the GP said he thought was debatable so it's our choice.
Not sure why mine has: I have OSA but didn't think that was a factor?
But I will accept it as I am a single parent to two disabled kids and the GP said that getting flu & C-19 concurrently was what they're really worried about. I don't suppose the kids will be persuaded though.

ListeningQuietly · 23/09/2020 11:25

Darker
I am struck how when I catch up with them about how things are going we don't talk about the future much any more.
Absolutely.
I cannot discuss forward plans with my recently graduated child because EVERYTHING she planned for has been destroyed by a combination of Brexit and COVID

we are all existing not living

Peregrina · 23/09/2020 11:35

Dear God the Express opines: “The country needs to summon “discipline, resolve and the spirit of togetherness” to save lives this winter.

How about telling Johnson, Cummings et al. to set an example?