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Westministender: Amen to that!

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RedToothBrush · 20/09/2020 20:52

On the Anniversary of the Battle of Britain, Johnson went to Westminster Abbey and was trolled. Its almost divine in its irony.

In a week where just about the entire right wing press has turned on him, for being... well shit... They have the dawning realisation that yes all those annoying lefties were right all along when they said he was full of nothing but hot air. He's been ridiculed for being paid £150,000 a year and not being able to feed his 5000 kids and the pictures to mark the anniversary of him becoming PM do little more than look like a man who couldn't tie his own shoe laces without a nanny to help him.

But its not really a laughing matter. This man doesn't understand what legal agreements he's signed so his solution to his ineptitude is to throw his toys out of the pram together with the rule of law. Which he also does not understand.

Johnson is also ever increasingly keen on ripping up inconvient human right and workers right and he has ample opportunity to do all this in the middle of a pandemic.

Unfortunately the hypocrisy of his cronies isn't exactly helping the behaviour of the public and you have to pity the poor behavioural scientists who have to tell him that 'of course the public are going to give you the vs when you tell them you shouldn't do this when your chief advisor claims to be maybe going blind'.

It seems the whole government strategy on managing the virus seems to be falling flat on its face rather sooner than planned cos they stuck Dildo in charge who wouldn't know her Rs from her elbow if it hit her in the face. And we've got Hancock going full on 1984, telling us not to believe the reports that no one can get a test because its all lies - except half the country has either first hand experience of the travesty of Track and Trace or has a close mate who they know is a hell of a lot more reliable than any of these fuckwits when it comes to telling the truth.

Meanwhile in America Bader Ginsburg has managed to die at possibly the most inconvient and dangerous time possible just as the future of democracy in the US is clinging on by its finger nails.

And yes. Money laundering. Haven't we talked about that a lot on these threads. Its almost as if FinCEN was predictable...

Taking back control was always about the elite taking back control from the masses. But if you've managed to keep following all this time, we've been saying that since April 2016 and no one listened then, so why would they start listening now?

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DGRossetti · 22/09/2020 17:23

It's time in a NATIONAL crisis to bring in the troops to enforce rules and run the track and trace.

And just as soon as the Tory cronys have worked out how to use that to shovel money to their mates, I'm sure we'll see it happen.

mrslaughan · 22/09/2020 17:25

SOS - they just need to fund the public health departs in the LA's - we don't need anything as dramatic as the army running them. That's what Germany did - and we still could. Infact I believe in some of the hots spots the LA are indeed doing just that as the "NHS" version is so unreliable.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/09/2020 17:28

Listening Look at hospital admission too - there is about an 8-day lag from infection to hospitalisation, if it occurrs

There is no silver bullet
Sometime you get in a very bad situation and face a tough way oput, but all the other possible options are worse

No, the country is nowhere near going bankrupt
and the NHS was created after WW2 when the Uk had its highest ever debt as a % of GDP, much higher than now

A country is not run like a household budget - that was one of Thatcher's biggest mistakes, (pretending to believe that)

Spending on health services or tax cuts for the rich or £100 billion on Trident were choices
So is spaffing £100 million per week for the next 20 years on HS2

The UK has money, but is crap about choosing how to spend and share it out

Sostenueto · 22/09/2020 17:28

www.rte.ie/news/2020/0922/1166737-brexit/

EU tells UK to stop playing games.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/09/2020 17:35

Adam Kucharski@AdamJKucharski

A rough timeline of shifting 'COVID is all over' claims:

March: Most people have already been infected.
May: Most had undetected prior immunity.
July: The 'superspreaders' have already had it.
Sep: The rising hospitalisations aren't actually COVID.

DGRossetti · 22/09/2020 17:36

A country is not run like a household budget - that was one of Thatcher's biggest mistakes, (pretending to believe that)

It was a great way to diss socialism though.

Darker · 22/09/2020 18:05

I wonder if any of this would have been differnt if Cummings had been forced to resign instead of getting his moment in the symbolic protection of the Rose Garden.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/09/2020 18:14

@Darker

I wonder if any of this would have been differnt if Cummings had been forced to resign instead of getting his moment in the symbolic protection of the Rose Garden.
... In a totally rational world it would make no difference

In real life ... I read that this continues to show up prominantly in surveys.
Pure poison to compliance
Even if some of the indignation is faked, it gives some people a handy justification

mrslaughan · 22/09/2020 18:24

Also Darker - he would not longer be the driving Force behind Johnson's government..... we probably would have a Parliament about to pass a bill that breaks international law....... I think so much would be different, not limited to compliance of Covid measures

BigChocFrenzy · 22/09/2020 18:54

Good point, MrsL
If he didn't continue to FaceTime instructions to his puppet in No 10

HoneysuckIejasmine · 22/09/2020 19:01

The Cummings affair doesn't make me less likely to follow the guidelines, but only because I'm scientifically literate and generally a rule follower anyway. But I would certainly bring it up if I was asked about my adherence.

Friends and I make regular jokes about Barnard Castle.

ListeningQuietly · 22/09/2020 19:04

BigChoc
Even the Economist is coming round to a mild version of modern monetary theory
The UK could technically afford to do what is necessary
BUT
having underinvested for 30 years
it does not have the human resources, infrastructure resources and political resources to do what is needed in the time available.

Which is why Brexit will be such a clusterfuck of an omnishambles.

DGRossetti · 22/09/2020 19:05

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Westministender: Amen to that!
prettybird · 22/09/2020 19:06

Talking about science and following the rules, this was just circulated in my Pilates Coffee WhatsApp group. Grin

Westministender: Amen to that!
HoneysuckIejasmine · 22/09/2020 19:22

Adonis tweet confusing me with double negatives. So, Johnson wanted to include Cl chicken, and Lords said no?

HoneysuckIejasmine · 22/09/2020 19:23

@prettybird

Talking about science and following the rules, this was just circulated in my Pilates Coffee WhatsApp group. Grin
Yep!
GeistohneGrenzen · 22/09/2020 19:36

HoneysuckIejasmine I hope you're right - that phrasing has confused me too Confused

BigChocFrenzy · 22/09/2020 19:57

@QuestionMarkNow

I’d like tee what NewYork is doing atm. A peak in April like the U.K. but no sign at all of another increase. My understanding is that no restaurant etc... have reopened. And they have a track and trace system that is working. Surely you dont need a Tandis for that??
... NYC had a very strict lockdown followed by very strict SD, still ongoing and pro-active t&t:

To illustrate the difference strict measures make, a comparison of NYC (v few cases) vs Madrid (sky-high cases):

Miguel Hernán@_MiguelHernan (Prof. Harvard)

New York and Madrid had similar epidemics until they spectacularly diverged.

In March, both cities were caught by surprise and shut down because of #COVID19.
In September, the situation is under control in NY and alarming in Madrid.

Why?
......
CONTACT TRACING
New York state aimed at 30 contact tracers per 100,000 people before reopening. Minimum.

That translates into 6000 contract tracers in New York and 2000 in Madrid.

Madrid had about 200 contact tracers in July (maybe 700 now). An order of magnitude difference.
7/

TESTING
In April, >70% of PCRs were positive in both New York and Madrid.

New York aimed at achieving

prettybird · 22/09/2020 20:12

Another difference between BJ and Nicola: she has a BSL interpreter as a matter of course.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/09/2020 20:25

No SSL ? Wink

prettybird · 22/09/2020 20:58

There may well be subtitles -there probably are- a I haven't checked. But that's not the same as having a sign language interpreter signing in shot as the politician speaks.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/09/2020 21:15

Maybe Janey Godley could do Scottish Sign Language

BigChocFrenzy · 22/09/2020 21:20

Video of Useless Eustice lying his useless head off again

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1308448260747669504.html

"DEFRA secretary George Eustice:

``We can do all the work in the world to make sure our borders are ready ...
But if when they arrive at the other side it's all a bit slipshod and disorganised and there's therefore chaos because of failure of the EU to plan...' "

😂😂🤦🏻‍♀️ WTF !

DGRossetti · 22/09/2020 21:21

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-latest-uk-matt-hancock-asymptomatic-spread-sage-guidance-infections-b519138.html

Coronavirus: Matt Hancock ‘regrets’ not knowing asymptomatic people can spread disease despite Sage warning

prettybird · 22/09/2020 21:47

@BigChocFrenzy

Maybe Janey Godley could do Scottish Sign Language
I misunderstood the point you were making Grin

As an aside, through watching the ScotGov briefings, I've learnt the BSL for "vaccination" Grin