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Westminstenders: Pah International Law. Who needs it?

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RedToothBrush · 12/09/2020 18:09

I mean its not as if trade deals and human rights are relevant is it?

(sorry eating my dinner so must be brief)

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disorganisedsecretsquirrel · 14/09/2020 20:42

When will he finally realise he can't bluster his way out of this like some second year undergrad quoting Homer ..

disorganisedsecretsquirrel · 14/09/2020 20:44

@BigChocFrenzy

BJ looked like a sulky kid who'd been caught in the wrong Shock

Milliband was brilliant, tore him apart, then put him on the spot to answer .... which he chickened out of - Cummings hadn't told him what to say

True ..

When will people realise he only WANTED to be PM .. he didn't actually want to BE PM .. far too much work and scrutiny !!

BigChocFrenzy · 14/09/2020 20:50

He's totally out of his depth being PM, isn't he Confused

I never expected to see a UK PM so publicly exposed as an incompetent fool
and an incompetent villain too
Better than a competent villain, I suppose

(I never expected to see a minister so exposed, but then came DD, Raab, Patel, Truss ....)

BigChocFrenzy · 14/09/2020 21:05

Germany has more pressing concerns than Brexit
There is a world of rogue powers with an animus against the EU to deal with first

BJ's ego prevents him seeing how low down on Merkel's priority list he is:

https://www.ft.com/content/e9b7b193-47d4-4887-abe1-2c12f344922a

Chatting to a diplomat in Berlin last week, I suggested that Brexit probably ranked about number four on the list of German foreign-policy concerns.
He looked thoughtful and then replied: “I think lower than that.”
So we went through the list.

Alarming dossiers are piling up on Chancellor Angela Merkel’s desk.
The most urgent issues facing the German chancellor are Russia, Covid-19, the eastern Mediterranean, the US election and China.
Then comes Brexit.
As the current president of the EU, Germany sees its role as shaping a unified European response to all these issues.
....
Beyond the boundaries of Europe, Germany sees a world of rogue superpowers with an animus against the European project.
As one senior official puts it: “One thing that Moscow, Beijing and Washington have in common is that they would all like to divide Europe.”
...
As they try to respond to an increasingly threatening world, German leaders have come back again and again to the importance of maintaining European unity.
In a world of rogue superpowers and global environmental and health challenges, they believe European nations can only hope to defend their interests by sticking together.
Protecting the European single market is a matter of security - as well as economics.
^
It is that global context that conditions the German response to Brexit.^
Viewed from Berlin, it would be dangerous and self-defeating to agree a Brexit deal that undermines the single market.
As the Germans see it, allowing the UK tariff and quota-free access to that market

  • while exempting the country from the EU’s state-aid regulations and border controls -
would pose an unacceptable threat to Europe’s legal order, prosperity and unity.

There is also the question of trust.
If Boris Johnson’s UK government rips up a deal agreed nine months ago, what is the point of negotiating any further with them?^

This message is generally delivered calmly and without rancour.^
^In Berlin, the harshest word I heard applied to the British government’s announcement that it intends to break international law was “troubling”.

Listening to that remark, it struck me that if you want to hear British-style understatement these days, you need to go to Germany.^
The political atmosphere in London is hysterical and insular.
It is the Germans who are thinking globally and whose maxim now seems to be: “keep calm and carry on”.

Westminstenders: Pah International Law. Who needs it?
Sostenueto · 14/09/2020 21:08

Watched it 4 times now! I think Starmer wrote the speech but Ed sure as hell delivered it magnificently!

Darker · 14/09/2020 21:22

A few years experience as leader of the opposition showing through. Fantastic.

Sostenueto · 14/09/2020 21:23

I have just realised something. A lightbulb moment! Starmer goes off isolating at last minute Johnson who was not going to present bill but secretary of state was suddenly decided to present bill. Starmer planned to be off ( can't prove he did it purposely) gets Boris into Parliament and Ed hits him with a brilliant attacking speech! Yep definately Boris out manouvered by Starmer again! ( Remember Wednesday PMQs when Boris thought he would ask questions on bill and went with Covid instead?)What a great trick! What a great performance!🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

HateIsNotGood · 14/09/2020 21:23

I rather like the recent declaration for Independence from The Shetland Isles - given their uncontested Coastal Waters and reserves of all the Good Stuff that everyone else wants - and lots of Wind For Sale too.

Although that might have an 'impact' on how Scotland balances it's books of course.

Rock On eh?......

FrankieStein402 · 14/09/2020 21:26

Couldn't get iplayer to go back earlier than 1900 - but looking at the new European clip of most of the speech - 8mins in, Johnson wagging foot - it would appear he has a hole in his sole - wonder if he has one in his sock as well as his bill.

Westminstenders: Pah International Law. Who needs it?
Emilyontmoor · 14/09/2020 21:32

Frankie Was that a typo? Did you mean soul?

I have always had a secret guilty crush on Ed, but it was always about the hair, now that bear storming speech has lived up to the hair my crush is complete .

I don’t think Johnson was sulking though so much as why am I having to listen to these impudent stupid people? Just need to bide my time and Cummings is going to make me World King....

SwedishEdith · 14/09/2020 21:33

@Sostenueto

I have just realised something. A lightbulb moment! Starmer goes off isolating at last minute Johnson who was not going to present bill but secretary of state was suddenly decided to present bill. Starmer planned to be off ( can't prove he did it purposely) gets Boris into Parliament and Ed hits him with a brilliant attacking speech! Yep definately Boris out manouvered by Starmer again! ( Remember Wednesday PMQs when Boris thought he would ask questions on bill and went with Covid instead?)What a great trick! What a great performance!🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
I must admit, that was my thinking as well.
Emilyontmoor · 14/09/2020 21:33

barnstorming

HateIsNotGood · 14/09/2020 21:35

Further to breaking the impasse of the Brexit Negs, with regards to Fishing I would happily give up most of the Channel to the French (aka EU) if they really want it, if they're happy to leave the UK Coastal Waters for the UK to Manage.

Best not mention that the Channel is one of the World's busiest shipping lanes - so if the EU want to eat the fish and 'razor clams' from there, carry on mes amis, but I'd rather not.

Mistigri · 14/09/2020 21:37

Belatedly catching up after work.

Secret Ed fangirl here. He was magnificent tonight. He's a much better speaker than Starmer who I find a bit wooden.

In other news, my son got the result of his test that was done last Thursday and he has (or had) COVID. (He's absolutely fine - he was mildly unwell for less than 48 hours with none of the official symptoms.)

ListeningQuietly · 14/09/2020 21:38

Sos
I think you might be onto something there.
Milliband knew that he had nothing to lose from going for the jugular
and Starmer could step back up to the plate if it had not worked.
As it is we now have a prime minister scared to defend his own agreement at the dispatch box Grin

yoikes · 14/09/2020 21:38

Starmer is being rather clever I think...

Ignore the bait, challenge the fuckwittery...

yoikes · 14/09/2020 21:40

Never, in the proud history of the mother of all parliaments, has so much been thrown away, by so few, for so many.

Venal motherfuckers.

AuldAlliance · 14/09/2020 21:40

Survived my day on campus, but only because I didn't need to Zoom after 1pm, when the server crashed.

Weary wave to all, and thanks to Ed for that speech.

Mistigri · 14/09/2020 21:43

I have always had a secret guilty crush on Ed, but it was always about the hair, now that bear storming speech has lived up to the hair my crush is complete .

Why guilty? You're in good company here ;)

yoikes · 14/09/2020 21:44

Ed is 🔥

BigChocFrenzy · 14/09/2020 21:44

It was the Level Playing Field that was the real dealbreaker - and the expectation of cake
If the other issues weren't showstoppers, fishing would be solvable

However, now that BJ is reneging on the international treaty he signed only months ago,
the EU probably regard it is pointless to negotiate a trade deal - just another international treaty for him to break.

Of all the tactics BJ could have used, going back on the WA he signed was the most disastrous and self- defeating
.... unless of course he & Cummings want to be 100% sure there will be No EU trade deal for the forseeable future

SwedishEdith · 14/09/2020 21:45

Cold War Steve.

Westminstenders: Pah International Law. Who needs it?
BigChocFrenzy · 14/09/2020 21:48

No trade deal likely under BJ, or under Gove or Raab if they replace him next Spring

We'll have to wait for a Tory who isn't an incompetent fool or ideologue
Could be a long wait, maybe the next but one Tory leader
2022 Tugenhardt ? Sunak ?

FrankieStein402 · 14/09/2020 21:50

Soul/sole - not a typo, he sold his soul some time back - just amusing that typical posh boy has holes in his shoes!

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