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Westministenders: Don't forget to stockpile. Again.

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RedToothBrush · 04/08/2020 18:10

The government is telling pharmacists and drug manufactures to stockpile drugs ahead of the end of transition on 31st December.

In the middle of a pandemic.

What could go wrong?

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Pepperwort · 14/08/2020 16:38

Yet another big fuckup from a government ensuring future hatred from an entire generation. How much more grace does Britain have to burn through now? I’ll admit this one was difficult, but as much transparency as possible would help.

AuldAlliance · 14/08/2020 16:43

I feel that we are living in a satire, TBH.
All it took was for Williamson to utter that inane remark about people being overpromoted, and the Cabinet floodgates opened.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/14/grant-shapps-slight-slip-sows-confusion-over-france-quarantine-rules-covid-19

Shapps said during a TV interview that people arriving in the UK from France would have to isolate for 14 days from Sunday, but the move is actually coming into force at 4am on Saturday.
Meanwhile, in a swiftly deleted tweet referencing the imposition of the measures, Shapps declared at 10.45pm on Thursday: “It’s Saturday at 4am, meaning that anyone returning on Sunday onwards will need to quarantine.”

prettybird · 14/08/2020 16:46

DGR - I suppose it depends on context. If you are putting in (and paying for Wink) a ring telecoms backhaul system (as in two routes, so if one fails, the other can take over), then you can state (iirc - it's a long time ago Blush) a "5 9s availability" (99.9998% uptime), so best endeavours might be reasonable (if you see what I mean Wink), because both routes really shouldn't fail at once. But if a long section of the backhaul is a single route then 4 9s availability and "reasonable endeavours" becomes the compromise.

But if there is a major outage because, say, a cow eats the cable which for some reason wasn't in the ground on the single route section Shock, the customer is then incentivised to pay for a 2nd route Grin

AuldAlliance · 14/08/2020 16:46

this week-long thread has been almost completely free of the usual suspects

Maybe they are scrambling to get back from the Dordogne before 4am on some ill-defined day this weekend Wink

DGRossetti · 14/08/2020 16:47

I feel sorry for people who have been indoctrinated all their lives that (nanny) government knows best and who are now flailing around for a shred of consistent direction. It must be like a sudden bereavement without realising what exactly you've lost.

Taswama · 14/08/2020 16:51

I negotiate contracts too and 'reasonable endeavours' is the way to go. I suspect I'm the other side of the table to @DGRossetti and I'd love a chat about how you game SLAs.

prettybird · 14/08/2020 17:24

Taswana - yup, I got drummed into by our legal bods never to agree to "best endeavours" Grin and the story of the cow eating the cable and disrupting the link is not apocryphal Shock

Fortunately we had a very reasonable customer Grin and we actually ended up getting new business as a result, to increase the redundancy Smile

ListeningQuietly · 14/08/2020 17:52

MrsL
The algorithm is public
hence why that nice Vietnamese immigrant was able to make accurate predictions using it
but OFQUAL ignored him
hence my concern about the shower of shit that next week will bring

ListeningQuietly · 14/08/2020 17:53

Thinking of Sunlit Uplands
I wonder how the far east astroturfer is doing Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 14/08/2020 18:09

fwiw - as one never knows if posters are fantasising / lying ....

there was a poster on an exam thread yesterday claiming that at the Top 10 private school where her child is allegedly a boarder,
the Head of Maths has been dissecting the algorithm / model and finding it full of errors

TheMShip · 14/08/2020 18:15

www.hepi.ac.uk/2020/08/10/a-levels-2020-what-students-and-parents-need-to-know/

This was really informative about the process. What a shit show.

ListeningQuietly · 14/08/2020 18:26

BigChoc
The methodology is shown in the "Summer Symposium" slides here
www.gov.uk/government/publications/awarding-qualifications-in-summer-2020
its not secret
its just rubbish

Grinchlywords · 14/08/2020 18:37

I saw that too BCF.

From what I have read and heard, I am now not sure re veracity.

Maths and stats are not my thing but it would seem plain that this system penalises a high-achieving child in a school with less good results historically. And drags down the rest.

How can that be just?

DGRossetti · 14/08/2020 18:50

@Grinchlywords

I saw that too BCF.

From what I have read and heard, I am now not sure re veracity.

Maths and stats are not my thing but it would seem plain that this system penalises a high-achieving child in a school with less good results historically. And drags down the rest.

How can that be just?

Why does it have to be just ?

Surely this is just Project Tory writ large ? Who gives a fuck how well you do, it's all about what school you go to. And here to tell us that's bollocks is the 20th Prime Minister of the UK to go to Eton.

Not only is it not just. People don't want it to be just.

Grinchlywords · 14/08/2020 18:54

I know DGR.
I can still express my outrage. Rhetorical questions and all that. Wink

Pepperwort · 14/08/2020 19:10

“People don't want it to be just.”

Nail on head. The idea of justice and equality with it has been dying a long time in Britain, in favour of ‘social relationships’, I.e. licking arse and maintaining the power relations of the most vocal. There are still a few upholding the ideas around, in the upper reaches of law. As equality in law was the founding principle, so it will be the last to fall. Then it’ll just be there to defend the interests of the rich again. There’s benign neglect from government, and then there’s actively shafting one’s populace.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/08/2020 19:17

Wiki: An editing battle over Kamala Harris’s race is a sign of what’s to come

Trump's supporters trying to create another birther myth, as they did for Obama

The US right continue to be racist scum

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/08/the-wikipedia-war-over-kamala-harris-race/615250/

BigChocFrenzy · 14/08/2020 19:19

Rightwing politicians hammering judges
and newspapers railing against "Enemies of the People"
are good indicators of which side in the UK is dismantling democratic safeguards

Pepperwort · 14/08/2020 19:38

We all know how the frustrations and fully legitimate anger of the disenfranchised poor are being used by politicians. Perhaps the middle classes need to be more aware of how easily extreme idealism can be twisted as well. Not to mention being more aware of those legitimate frustrations and how they are upholding the causes of them. The road to hell is still paved with good intentions.

Pepperwort · 14/08/2020 19:39

Or in another old cliche, two wrongs do not make a right.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/08/2020 19:41

Marina Hyde: Welcome to Gavin Williamson's disasterclass – where incompetence is core curriculum

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/14/welcome-to-gavin-williamsons-disasterclass-where-incompetence-is-core-curriculum

When Gavin Williamson was sacked as Theresa May’s defence secretary for leaking information from the National Security Council,
he swore his innocence “on his children’s lives”
< I'd forgotten that revolting oath, like a gang member would make >

BigChocFrenzy · 14/08/2020 19:52

Hitler, socialists & conservatives - and his mc supporters

Hitler conned some early wc supporters by adding the "socialist"
but he had his left-leaning comrades slaughtered by the Gestapo in 1934 in the "night of the Long Knives"

Many middle class conservatives favoured Hitler as a bulwark against socialism & communism and were the bedrock of his support.
Many of the military supported him too, for his nationalism.

Some large private businesses supported him and later benefited from slave labour provided by the Nazis.
Some very wealthy fascist businessmen funded him,
e.g Fritz Thyssen who after the war was tried for his Nazi collaboration,
but only convicted of minor charges, not the use of slave labour or mass murder
His family enjoy their wealth today.

Before Hitler came to power, the SPD (Social Democrats) and the Nazis had frequent street battles.

After the voters made the evil decision to choose fascism and make the Nazis the largest party,
Hitler was appointed Chancellor in 1933
The conservatives continued to support him

The SPD was the only party in the Reichstag (the German Parliament) to vote against the Enabling Laws,
which created a one-party state and allowed Hitler to do anything he wanted.
The conservatives again supported / tolerated Hitler
The communist MPs had been arrested or fled arrest before the vote.

The SPD was then banned.
Many members were subsequently imprisoned and killed by the Nazi government, while others fled the country.

After the war, the SPD survivors resumed politics.

Due to the continual collaboration of the old conservatives with Hitler,
the allies encouraged their replacement by a new moderate right of centre party, the CDU,
formed from the pre-war Catholic centre party and assorted liberals and moderate conservatives,
some of whom had been imprisoned under the Nazis.

Merkel now leads the CDU - which is the party I voted for, btw,
on the grounds of policy, competence and leadership

Peregrina · 14/08/2020 20:14

BigChoc - I live in hope to see Johnson destroy the Tory party, and eventually something more moderate arising in its place - with those perfectly decent MPs chased out of the party last year.

We forget just how many people were perfectly happy with what Hitler was doing - who rewrote their personal histories smartish when we went to War, or if they were German, when he started to lose.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/08/2020 20:24

There is an ongoing scandal, suspended due to COVID, about Nazis here in the 1950s & 1960s who were allowed to run many children's homes
They were very brutal to the children, dreadful physical abuse, starvation, forced feeding of vomit etc
and some of the surviving victims are now telling their stories

After WW2, the Cold War started almost immediately; hence most Nazis were let off by the Western allies and allowed in the military, big business, science etc
There were millions who joined the Nazis, obeyed illegal orders with varying degrees of enthusiasm,
simply far too many to lock up

BigChocFrenzy · 14/08/2020 20:26

I hope that both the UK and US conservative parties are reformed and the traditional conservatives return,
kick out the hard right kleptocracies & nutters that have taken over their parties - far more so in the US than in the UK

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