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Westministenders: A Year of Johnson

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RedToothBrush · 24/07/2020 21:34

So having given the benefit of the doubt...

... whats your reflections?

Good (and yes do have some thoughts on the positive - challenge yourself on this one as its important) and the bad (and yes this is the easy bit but keep it within reason)?

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JeSuisPoulet · 04/08/2020 04:22

I agree with MShip; Universal Basic Income is the way forward, potentially with a 4 day working week.

JeSuisPoulet · 04/08/2020 06:33

It's dd's birthday here and of course I woke at 3! Long list of things to do today including setting up a tent in the garden for tonight, so I might not be back on here today.

Sostenueto · 04/08/2020 06:37

Happy Birthday to your ddjesuis xx

mrslaughan · 04/08/2020 09:06

Happy birthday to the little 🐥

mrslaughan · 04/08/2020 09:08

Happy birthday to the little 🐥

tanith · 04/08/2020 09:44

"I'd like to see childcare costs for everyone heavily subsidised as in many other European countries, "

This has been talked about for years, but there is not the political will.

In the early part of this century, childcare was subsidised, and childcare heavily invested in, though nothing like as much as in some European countries.
Training was high on the agenda, too: you may also note that, in those subsidised European countries, childcare workers are generally respected and well qualified.

These were some of the first things to go under the Austerity cuts.

There are now less than half the number of childminders that there were when I first started. Many of the independent nurseries have been swallowed up by big nursery chains. Funding is inadequate, yet parents still expect quality childcare, although the word was quietly removed from Government proposals several years ago - around the same time they removed the word "play".

UK Voters apparently have quite different priorities - at least, I assume so, since they keep voting the same Party back in.
A party that refuses to invest in childcare, or education itself.
Parents really can't complain: we warned them what would happen. "Champagne Nurseries for Lemonade Funding" is a campaign group set up a while ago.
The Conservative party has also clearly set out its plans right from the 2010 election. Again, the answer is "Well, you voted for it!".

ListeningQuietly · 04/08/2020 10:25

Sabrina
In that part of London, for mothers to work needs a family income well north of £120k

Poulet
What a wonderful evening to pitch a tent in the garden and celebrate a birthday. Enjoy.

DGRossetti · 04/08/2020 10:38

I never did return to drop "Hitchens Razor". But when it comes to Brexit, it's essential ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

DGRossetti · 04/08/2020 10:39

NEW: there are now FOUR regional online newspapers supporting citizen journalism in the progressive, internationalist space, speaking truth to power and giving a voice to local people.
If you haven’t yet done so, head over to their respective websites/social media accounts and check them out (then hit the ‘invite’ button):
👉 West Country Bylines - westcountrybylines.co.uk/welcome-to-west-country-bylines/
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DGRossetti · 04/08/2020 11:06

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Westministenders: A Year of Johnson
pointythings · 04/08/2020 11:36

DGR as a pretty decent epeeist at one time, I can vouch for the truth of your picture. I note those guys are fencing foil - epee is better, you can bop someone on the hand from miles away and really get on their nerves.

BlackeyedSusan · 04/08/2020 11:38

Even ds's lip twitched in half a smile at that dgr.

DGRossetti · 04/08/2020 11:39

DGR as a pretty decent epeeist at one time,

It took a second to realise that you weren't drunk, or having autocorrect problems Smile

I was joking with DS about social distancing putting a cramp in drug dealers businesses, and he said (with an admirably straight face) "Nah, they just got longer knives."

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2020 12:06

I feel I'm getting to know your lad, DG
He sounds a fine young man, with his head straight

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2020 12:10

Stanley Johnson says Brexiteers like his son are in ‘cloud cuckoo land’ over Brexit deal

I know a PM inevitably becomes shut off from the public to some extent, but I didn't think there was a block on immediate family

  • or is "the machinery of government" blocking his dad at request from BJ !

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/boris-johnson-father-on-brexit-deal-1-6775391

Johnson’s father, who previously backed Remain but switched to supporting Leave a year after the result,

said he had tried to lobby the prime minister on the matter but explained:

“There is a whole machinery of government which is very difficult to bypass.”

DGRossetti · 04/08/2020 12:10

@BigChocFrenzy

I feel I'm getting to know your lad, DG He sounds a fine young man, with his head straight
I've just burst into tears - fuck this lockdown.
DGRossetti · 04/08/2020 12:13

@BigChocFrenzy

Stanley Johnson says Brexiteers like his son are in ‘cloud cuckoo land’ over Brexit deal

I know a PM inevitably becomes shut off from the public to some extent, but I didn't think there was a block on immediate family

  • or is "the machinery of government" blocking his dad at request from BJ !

[[https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/boris-johnson-father-on-brexit-deal-1-6775391]]

Johnson’s father, who previously backed Remain but switched to supporting Leave a year after the result,

said he had tried to lobby the prime minister on the matter but explained:

“There is a whole machinery of government which is very difficult to bypass.”

Oh well, normal service. The idea of DomCum telling Stanley to fuck off has cheered me up immensely Smile

It's a shame no one had a chance to get a word in edgewise to ask Johnson Snr. what point of Brexit was then ?

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2020 12:14

((({ DG })))
Even with BJ at the helm, this crisis shall pass until the next crisis he cocks up

pointythings · 04/08/2020 12:36

DGR BrewCakeWine

yoikes · 04/08/2020 13:14

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HoneysuckIejasmine · 04/08/2020 14:22

@yoikes

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BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2020 14:23

UK chemical industry warns of £1bn cost to duplicate EU regime

https://www.ft.com/content/a1c4a5dc-f627-4689-97ae-909d4aaf6162

Smaller companies may fail to survive move to a British safety registrations agency.

From January 1 the safety registrations of the chemicals Mr Prior uses to make his products

  • currently held in the Reach registration database run by the European Chemicals Agency (Echa) in Helsinki -
will need to be re-registered with a new UK equivalent.

For Cornelius Group, with 200 employees and turnover of about £50m a year,
Mr Prior said registering some 2,000 chemicals within the two-year government deadline represents a costly bureaucratic marathon for no gain.

prettybird · 04/08/2020 14:41

I happen to still have yoikes post up on the app (currently MNing on the laptop).

Let's just say that the snowflakes must be getting really sensitive as all she did was sympathise with DGR and then say she was also spending her time atm feeling tearful; her ds1 had driven her for the first time yesterday and his future was being ruined by a few old [not saying the next two words but they were not in themselves any worse than many used on here] and that it was heartbreaking. SadConfused

As we have said before on these threads but some people choose not to understand proper English and Maths , using the Venn diagram analogy, not all people who voted Brexit are racist, but all racists voted Brexit Sad The age distribution is also a fact: more older people voted for Brexit than younger people.

As we have often agreed, some Brexiters had genuine and thoughtful reasons for voting the way that they did, but some did not Sad.

If MNHQ delete this, then they are truly censoring what is and is not allowed to be said - even when it is truthful and no individual poster has been maligned.Angry

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2020 14:42

Yougov EU Survey: Who would EU countries be willing to help in a major crisis ?

BJ really needs to take care about what happens after 1 January

  • little enthusiasm among the EU public to help out the UK in any crisis now, not just Brexit

This is likely to be a reflection of how much a UK crisis is expected to be the fault of the UK govt,
as well as how aggressively the UK has been behaving the last few years

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/articles-reports/2020/08/03/what-should-eu-be

"These results also demonstrate quite how far the UK has alienated its European neighbours.

Of the 35 countries we asked people whether they’d be willing to assist, the UK comes joint 33rd – tied with Tunisia and above only Colombia. Confused

Only in Greece, Denmark, Poland and Romania do more people than not say they would be willing to give the UK financial aid in the event of a major crisis.

This is not simply the case that the UK is a rich country and so people won’t donate on the basis that the UK can afford to look after itself:
people are far more willing to provide financial assistance to the other top wealthy European countries Germany and France. "

Westministenders: A Year of Johnson