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Westminstenders: Where are we now?

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2020 21:21

Twenty thousand people
Cross Bösebrücke
Fingers are crossed
Just in case
Walking the dead

Where are we now, where are we now?
The moment you know, you know, you know

Just that.

Don't really want to reflect more than that right now.

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ListeningQuietly · 17/06/2020 14:24

Very interesting article in the Economist about Brexiter Tories obsession with the Antipodes and the English Speaking Commonwealth
which ties in the with desire to get a trade deal with a former colony or two

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2020 14:27

news.sky.com/story/boris-johnsons-jet-gets-austin-powers-makeover-12007923
Boris Johnson's jet gets 'Union Jack makeover'
The RAF Voyager plane will reportedly be transformed from plain grey to the UK's red, white and blue.

A military aircraft is receiving a secret makeover to give Boris Johnson and senior cabinet ministers a patriotic-coloured jet for official travel, defence sources said.

One source said the paint job sounded like something "from Austin Powers".

The source said the RAF Voyager transport plane would be transformed from plain grey - a colour Mr Johnson has in the past complained about - to sporting the UK's red, white and blue on the rear of its fuselage and up the fin.

"Boris doesn't like it being grey. He is getting it painted up," the source said.

Nick Eardley @nickeardleybbc
No 10 has confirmed RAF voyager PM and royals use is being repainted in colours of Union Flag

Will cost £900,000

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RedToothBrush · 17/06/2020 14:28

fleetstreetfox @fleetstreetfox
I thought it was supposed to be grey because, when not used by Boris to Danny about, it’s on RAF duties... is he removing a plane from RAF duty?

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RedToothBrush · 17/06/2020 14:32

Oh fuck.

We could have another KFC shortage incoming.

Remember what happened the last time this happened. People were calling the police to complain and all sorts:

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-staff-at-chicken-factory-supplying-kfc-and-ms-self-isolate-after-covid-19-outbreak-12008700
Coronavirus: Staff at chicken factory supplying KFC and M&S self-isolate after COVID-19 outbreak

The "cluster" of coronavirus cases took place at the 2 Sisters chicken processing plant in Llangefni, North Wales.

The factory produces around a third of all poultry products eaten every day in the UK, according to its website.

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RedToothBrush · 17/06/2020 14:34

Stewart McDonald MP @StewartMcDonald
That answers part of the parliamentary question I submitted earlier. An utterly unacceptable use of public funds whilst members of the armed forces are spending their own money on uniforms and kit, and the equipment plan deficit is well into the billions for several years running

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DGRossetti · 17/06/2020 14:43

That answers part of the parliamentary question I submitted earlier. An utterly unacceptable use of public funds whilst members of the armed forces are spending their own money on uniforms and kit, and the equipment plan deficit is well into the billions for several years running

So soldiers get treated like schoolkids and nurses ?

Seems fair to me. They can do a sponsored yomp or something.

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2020 14:46

Rachel Clarke @doctor_oxford
It appears as though the NHS student nurses who bravely stepped up, 6 months before graduating, to help staff the pandemic have now been hung out to dry.

Surely their contracts haven’t been cancelled? Clarification needed ASAP please

More student nurses speaking out on Facebook here:

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Pussycatinboots · 17/06/2020 14:47

You could also piggyback a UK national water main via the canal network so we no longer have to hear the South East whinging ever time the sun shines for more than a day.

You could , but they could always build solar-powered desalinisation plants for the whingy SE... and those of us who are "land-locked" and a bit "oop north of watford " can continue to enjoy our lovely ☔☔☔ Grin

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2020 14:47

and

£900,000 for a Shagtastic plane.

But student nurses who were expecting to be paid, now won't be.

These two stories side by side look utterly appalling. Especially after the fight over free school meals.

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DGRossetti · 17/06/2020 14:49

Gods own country continues to rumble.

yorkshirebylines.co.uk/the-red-wall-will-judge-johnson-on-the-outcome-of-brexit-negotiations/

yorkshirebylines.co.uk
The red wall will judge Johnson on the outcome of Brexit negotiations – Yorkshire Bylines
Mike Buckley
6-7 minutes

The Conservatives have few pressure points in June 2020 but they do exist. They bowed to pressure to extend children’s food vouchers because the justice of the cause was so eloquently and apolitically made clear by footballer Marcus Rashford. Johnson seems to become more terrified of Sir Keir Starmer with every passing week of prime minister’s questions. Some Tory backbenchers even broke ranks over Dominic Cummings due to the volume of email hitting their inboxes. We can now add to the list red wall voters who, against many expectations, are almost unanimous in their rejection of no deal Brexit.

The government’s majority is built on the red wall. There are, give or take, 54 seats in Yorkshire, the Midlands, North East and North West that traditional voted Labour but in 2019 voted Conservative, many for the first time in generations. These are not natural territory for the Tories. Many are towns and areas which suffered badly under the Conservative governments of the 1980s and 1990s. They have suffered badly from austerity. But last December they were persuaded more by the clear offer of an end to the Brexit saga, 40 hospitals, 20,000 police officers and 50,000 nurses.
View down to Keighley – now a red wall Conservative seat
Photo credit: Tim Green from Bradford

The Conservative policy offer was not made by chance. They knew from polling and focus groups that voters in these seats who had traditionally voted Conservative were desperate to get Brexit done. They knew too that Labour’s leader, Jeremy Corbyn, was unpopular because of his failure to show leadership on Brexit and to show strength on national security, for example in response to the Scripal poisonings. Less enamoured of Brexit, former Labour voters’ top priorities were the NHS and police. By making Brexit, health and more police officers the core of their policy offer Johnson and his team were making an explicit pitch to voters in these seats. It paid off for them handsomely.

No one expects the Conservatives to get such an easy ride in these seats next time. Labour has a new leader who, two months in, is already polling better than any opposition leader since Tony Blair. Labour’s poll rating is rising too, albeit more slowly. The Conservatives will struggle to fulfil their promise to ‘level up’ the UK – in other words reduce regional inequality – due to the impact of the hard Brexit they are determined to push through, turbocharged by the appalling economic impacts of Covid-19. If things don’t get better, and if the nurses, police and hospitals don’t appear, voters will judge the Conservatives harshly.

Johnson’s safety zone was meant to be Brexit. This was the dog whistle that would always work. Sovereignty, taking back control and global Britain would win the day regardless of the Brexit outcome. Getting it done was what mattered, along with ensuring it was the real thing and not a watered down Theresa May style deal.

Those assumptions have been thrown out of the water by a seismic poll from think tank Best for Britain. They polled thousands of voters across the red wall and found that, on average, 90 per cent of all voters believe that getting a deal with the EU is either important or very important.

Far from believing that all Brexit outcomes are the same, or that things can only get better on the other side, red wall voters are concerned about the impact of a no deal Brexit on the cost of living. Around two thirds of voters in these seats believe that the cost of daily essentials would increase if the UK left the transition period without a deal in place.

Red wall voters are not anti-European. Over two thirds want the UK to prioritise working with Europe, compared with just 20 per cent who said they wanted the UK to work most closely with the United States. They recognise that trade with our closest neighbours and largest trading bloc has been beneficial to the UK in the past and needs to continue in the future.

What does this mean for Yorkshire? It matters economically. Every version of Brexit harms the economy and costs jobs – there is no way to sugar-coat that unpleasant fact. But we are committed now to Brexit, it will happen with what used to be called a hard Brexit free trade agreement (FTA) or – worse – no deal. The only question now is how much damage we will endure.

The difference between the two is real. If the government concludes an FTA Yorkshire’s economy is estimated to suffer a 6 per cent loss. That in itself is huge, but it pales in comparison to the almost 9 per cent loss from no deal. The tragedy is that either way these small percentages translate into thousands of lost jobs, hundreds of closed businesses and untold numbers of families and children thrown into poverty. Either way it’s needless damage, but red wall voters are right to want the damage to be minimised as far as is now possible.

Politically, this puts extra pressure on the Conservatives. If they thought they could get away with walking away from the negotiating table and presenting no deal as a victory for British sovereignty over the Europeans they have to think again. The voters who are the bedrock of their majority, and who in many cases lent them their votes on trust that things would get better, not only want a deal but want too a closer relationship with Europe than the US. They are not looking for a plucky British victory over Europe. They want a deal that helps businesses survive, that keeps people in work and keeps trade flowing. For the sake of our region, and for their hopes in 2024, the government had better listen and act before it’s too late.

Peregrina · 17/06/2020 14:50

the English Speaking Commonwealth

I.e. the White Commonwealth. Let's make it clear just how racist they are.
However May and Johnson did rush off to India to try to get a deal - more visas wanted -> no deal.

LouiseCollins28 · 17/06/2020 14:50

“We spent £900k painting this aeroplane for Boris. Lets fund our NHS instead”

Yeah, ouch! I can see why they u-turned now!

ListeningQuietly · 17/06/2020 14:52

Peregrina
Oh yes, the Economist was quite explicit about that part. I just chose not to be

DGRossetti · 17/06/2020 14:56

However May and Johnson did rush off to India to try to get a deal - more visas wanted -> no deal.

I would loved to have been a fly on the wall there. Johnson telling the Indians how wrong they are about the British (whilst not listening to a word they say) would have been a given.

It's not just visas that India wants. Rightly or wrongly they are looking to effective replace the EU freedom of movement we've pissed away with an Indian version where people are free to move between Indian and the UK - especially to settle families.

Over to you, Priti.

Pussycatinboots · 17/06/2020 15:06

£900,000...how many school meals is that? or the new medication to treat CV19?
What a total bloody waste of money and the fucking plane

BlackeyedSusan · 17/06/2020 15:10

300,000....

LouiseCollins28 · 17/06/2020 15:31

Just for context.
yorkshirebylines.co.uk/the-yorkshire-bylines-team/

mrslaughan · 17/06/2020 15:45

Well the obsession of brexiteers with white commonwealth countries.... well it's not really reciprocated in NZ - when I was a much younger - NZ when through I I like to think of as a maturing process, where it started to address issues created around colonisation. It wasn't an easy process at all. Anyway as part of that I do think many NZers feel much affinity with the UK. On top of this - my mums generation had issue with the way NZ was treated by the UK after WW2. Then you have had any preferential treatment with regards to working here majorly eroded, so where some NZERS of my generation came and worked very easily, it's much much harder now. Many of my cohort came and got amazing career experiences here, now that's almost impossible.
So the feeling isn't really mutual - and when the subject comes up I am always quite bemused by it.

mrslaughan · 17/06/2020 15:52

Sorry fuzzy brain- I meant to say NOT many NZers feel a particular affinity with the UK

notimagain · 17/06/2020 16:00

I thought it was supposed to be grey because, when not used by Boris to Danny about, it’s on RAF duties... is he removing a plane from RAF duty?

If anyone is wondering the answer to that questions seems to be no, he isn't.

I gather the aircraft involved is the one in the "Voyager" A330 fleet that already has a dual role as a VIP transport and also as a tanker..so it'll carry on being used as it is now now, albeit with a fancy expensive paint scheme (it supposedly was due a repaint anyway).

prettybird · 17/06/2020 16:02

Mrslaughan - that's very much the impression that I get from my old Kiwi friends with whom I am still in touch after the 2 years my family emigrated to/from NZ in the 70s.

Their focus has moved from the UK to the Pacific Rim. The UK is sort of the maiden auntie that they've got mixed memories of but is no longer really relevant for their lives today.

DGRossetti · 17/06/2020 16:12

Of course, when the genuises decided to repaint Concorde, they fucked it up big time ...

theaviationgeekclub.com/heres-why-pepsi-blue-paint-limited-concorde-to-mach-1-7/

If Johnson - and the arsehole Brexiteers that lick his buttons clean - wanted to convert me to Brexit, then a project to (re)build Concorde pour nos jours would have done it. It's not seemly to admit that mere metal and glass can provoke an emotional reaction, but by George that magnificent beast (Concorde, not Bojo) does it in spades.

In years of working under it's flight path in Hounslow, not a single - not a single - customer was ever less than impressed. That is 100% approval rating over hundreds of people.

Even the NASA Apollo team were impressed. It really is a marvel of engineering.

Anyway, back to pedestrian workaday aeroplanes.

OldLace · 17/06/2020 16:34

@DGRossetti
that's a really interesting fact about Concorde, thank you. Ds will love it!

I have been posting about the FSM situation on a different thread.
My feeling is that those in power have done an outstanding job on dividing us all, and promoting a race to the bottom.
900,000K on a vanity paint job for a (different) plane indeed... Ugh.

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