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Westministenders: The Truth Isn't A Made Up Concept

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RedToothBrush · 28/05/2020 16:46

“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

Not George Orwell but often attributed to him. But a powerful statement with resonance nonetheless

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SabrinaThwaite · 04/06/2020 09:56

The only shame of it is that it was nobbled from the off to allow slavery. And we can see how well that went.

Just saw a clip from Fox News where they asked a white guy what he thought was going on. He pointed out that the country was built on stolen land and on the backs of slaves, and that until the country addressed that and the resultant inequalities, the problem wasn’t going to go away.

“Fox News picked the wrong old white guy”

DGRossetti · 04/06/2020 09:59

“Fox News picked the wrong old white guy”

FliesandPies · 04/06/2020 10:08

Call Keir - Keir Starmer will be doing a monthly half-hour phone-in on LBC starting this Monday, 8th June 9am.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/06/2020 11:26

The Opposition’s job is to question and criticise. Has Boris Johnson forgotten?

BJ wishes Corbyn was still his opponent ....

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/06/03/oppositions-job-question-criticise-has-boris-johnson-forgotten/

At PMQs, the Prime Minister seemed increasingly affronted by Sir Keir Starmer’s habit of asking him difficult questions

Traditionally speaking, an Opposition tends to oppose. It scrutinises the Government.
Criticises it. Asks it difficult questions.
......
The next time Boris Johnson prepares for PMQs, it might be worth his while taking this into account.
Because today in the Commons, Sir Keir Starmer asked six questions about the Government’s handling of the pandemic.
And in response, the Prime Minister seemed to grow more and more put out by the minute

BigChocFrenzy · 04/06/2020 11:30

Reuters Institute / Uni Oxford:
Trust in UK government and news media COVID-19 information down, concerns over misinformation from government and politicians up

reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/trust-uk-government-and-news-media-covid-19-information-down-concerns-over-misinformation

Jason118 · 04/06/2020 11:33

We're saved!

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DGRossetti · 04/06/2020 11:34

Trust in UK government and news media COVID-19 information down, concerns over misinformation from government and politicians up

A trust vacuum draws in fake news and unpleasant characters.

squid4 · 04/06/2020 11:37

My non expert opinion is that we are going to have either a second wave or just a plateauing continuation of the first one.

Still admitting young healthy people to ITU.

All the stats are around deaths. But even if you survive, a long ITU stay carries significant morbidity and we don't know what long term consequences of severe covid is (the CTs are grim, I cannot believe long term lung function won't be affected). I am still checking on patients I sent to ITU in April, they are still intubated.... that is a long stay that will be months/years of recovery, if they survive.

We are getting the re-admissions now, ie patient had covid in April, discharged but not really improving, now back in. This is a long illness for some.

Had a pt in their 50s die of covid yesterday, another 40 yr old to ITU.

None of the government measures make sense to me, they are all things we should have done in March, and many many people said we should have done in March and were told we were idiots / it wasn't possible / everything would be fine. Contact tracing in MARCH would have had an effect. Quarantining flight arrivals in MARCH would have had an effect. I don't know that they're exactly wrong now, but it all seems pretty hopeless.

Maybe the virus will just become less virulent? that does happen sometimes.The government are so unbelieveably incompetent I guess I've resorted to just hoping for nature to save us.

I have family in NZ and talking to them is so painful. I have never felt so ashamed to be british.

ANyway I've been working all the hours and am gonna try catch up with the news but it just makes me angry maybe I'll just drink coffee in my garden instead.

DGRossetti · 04/06/2020 11:40

My non expert opinion is that we are going to have either a second wave or just a plateauing continuation of the first one.

If we try really, really hard, we might even be able to top the US for total deaths (not just as a %age of population).

It will be hard work. Many (of you) will die. But what an achievement !

Too much ?

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squid4 · 04/06/2020 11:44

I can do the black humour stuff at work but at home I'm just so angry (or crying).

coffee.

ICouldHaveBeenAContender · 04/06/2020 11:45

DGR "It will be hard work. Many (of you) will die. But what an achievement !"

Not if squid4 and her colleagues can help it. However, they are the last line of defence and have been badly let down by the government.

DGRossetti · 04/06/2020 11:51

The main worry here, is that the government has become so incompetent, it's actually not able to read the room anymore.

They might think they have swerved this or that, but the dawning realisation seeping into the public that they will actually get away with it doesn't bode well for peaceful protests.

A lot of what's kicked of in America (according to DB) is not the actual events, but the creeping feeling that nothing will ever change. And it's that latter which is volatile, unpredictable, and energetic.

It's like gaffer taping over bullet holes, rather than tackling the gunman.

squid4 · 04/06/2020 11:53

I think the America situation is a year in our future (after no deal brexit)

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 04/06/2020 11:58

World Gone Mad, (cont'd)

DUP are calling the new NI Abortion regulations "an imperialist imposition by an overseas parliament."

Well, lads and lasses, there's a solution to that.

Peregrina · 04/06/2020 12:02

Well, that's a bit odd - only a year ago the DUP were glad to be part of the same Parliament.

ICouldHaveBeenAContender · 04/06/2020 12:06

A year is a long time in politics, as somebody didn't say.

mrslaughan · 04/06/2020 12:28

It's Bozo's sense of entitlement that makes him furious at Keirs questions..... I mean How DARE he.....

SabrinaThwaite · 04/06/2020 13:08

Not a representative sample from YouGov Direct, but interesting finding: 65% of over 8000 respondents think that the UK Government has no idea what it’s doing.

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SabrinaThwaite · 04/06/2020 13:14

Robert Halfon: note to self - don’t take the Hitler books off the bookshelf, just hide them with a Sooty glove puppet.

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SabrinaThwaite · 04/06/2020 13:16

Actually, that’s Sweep, isn’t it?

pussycatinboots · 04/06/2020 14:06

Sabrina Yes it is Grin

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 04/06/2020 14:21

Two massive Hitlerian tomes. Are they "on the one hand" and "on the other hand," alternative views?

Or possibly one of those partworks where you get Part One at a special price with a free build your own V2 Rocket kit, etc.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2020 14:35

Sky News Breaking @SkyNewsBreak
Downing Street says prime minister Boris Johnson met business secretary Alok Sharma, who is self-isolating, in person yesterday for 45 minutes during a meeting with chancellor Rishi Sunak and adds that the meeting was socially distanced

So anyone else who was in a similar situation wouldn't have to self-isolate????

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DGRossetti · 04/06/2020 14:43

I wonder how long before we have a spat between someone masked and someone without a mask, and the maskless says "I don't need it, I've had it" ?

prettybird · 04/06/2020 15:02

I thought that

a) BJ had had Corona virus and should therefor be immune at least for a short time - or is the Government idea of "herd immunity" a pile of crock? Hmm

and

b) I though that under the Test, Trace, Isolate protocol, those that had been in prolonged contact with a suspected case of CV like Rishi Sunak were supposed to isolate themselves unless and until the results for the original case came through as negative Confused (of course, it was positive, they'd gave to continue to isolate). So why isn't Rishi Sunak isolating? Hmm