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Westministenders: The Truth Isn't A Made Up Concept

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RedToothBrush · 28/05/2020 16:46

“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

Not George Orwell but often attributed to him. But a powerful statement with resonance nonetheless

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MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 28/05/2020 17:31

And I think someone has shoved a broom handle up Peston's arse in lieu of a backbone.

borntobequiet · 28/05/2020 17:32

PMK don’t think I’ve posted this pic before

Westministenders: The Truth Isn't A Made Up Concept
OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 28/05/2020 17:38

Vallance and Whitty seeming very much to be distancing themselves from 'following the science'. Other than the entire not wanting to be drawn in there's been a few pointed comments about policy not being down to them.

PawFives · 28/05/2020 17:38

PMK thanks Red & everyone. At least these threads are here to keep me sane now we’re through the looking glass.

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2020 17:42

I love how EVERY journalist has tried to ask the scientists whether they think Cummings undermined advice. I think they are right not to answer but the point is about making it difficult for Johnson continuing to support him...

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yoikes · 28/05/2020 17:42

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RedToothBrush · 28/05/2020 17:44

BTW it's good journalists have stuck together.

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LouiseCollins28 · 28/05/2020 17:44

I think Witty and Vallance have handled themselves pretty well today to be fair (and throughout).

MagisCapulus · 28/05/2020 17:48

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AuldAlliance · 28/05/2020 17:50

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MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 28/05/2020 17:51

I think Whitty and Vallance made it clear they are both big boys and perfectly capable of not addressing political points without nanny intervening.

The problem is not just that DC makes any number of inoocent(ish) hypotheitical points potentially political but that his whole strategy is to destroy the impartial permanent Civil Service and replace it with paid contractors who can be relied on to dance to the organ grinder's tune.

TruthTwisters · 28/05/2020 18:03

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FATEdestiny · 28/05/2020 18:05

Does DC still sit on SAGE? I wonder if he's lost respect on a personal or professional level with fellow SAGE members. One would hope he feels shame and embarrassment sitting at the table with them.

boatyardblues · 28/05/2020 18:12

One would hope he feels shame and embarrassment sitting at the table with them.

Unlikely.

Peregrina · 28/05/2020 18:18

Shouldn't the journalists be asking the PM what his favourite biscuit is, or has that already been covered?

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 28/05/2020 18:20

It's an online table where he eavesdrops and occasionally butts in with one of his characteristic enquiries, "Why don't we just let the oldies die?" etc.

He has no shame. He screams personality disorder.

Sostenueto · 28/05/2020 18:27

So we have our bribe to shit up about Cummings then🤔
People can see family and friends up to 6 people social distancing outside. I think people will be overjoyed! So government get their way (even though I personally are yearning to see my family but realise it's far too early). The scientists are not exactly overjoyed with track and trace emphasising that the R number is still very high. ( Think they will be shitting themselves for a few weeks to come)
Remarkable how lockdown is easing with no real plans. A track and tracer saying they could not register today so could not start work and was told it won't be ready till next week at the earliest. Well, there you go schools back next week and no solid track and trace. This is going to be absolute mayhem and very very dangerous! The public will have a hard time restraining themselves. But they must, they really must because I can see a second wave in the very near future and please God I really don't want to see that happen☹️

QuestionMarkNow · 28/05/2020 18:28

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OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 28/05/2020 18:41

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MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 28/05/2020 18:42

Local News from the S.Coast:

Folks on IoW are unhappy at some of the questions in the survey about the experimental app: Do you own your own home? How many sexual partners. Address and DOB. (But it's all totally anonymous, right?)

JeSuisPoulet · 28/05/2020 18:46

Anyone else wondering what the world is thinking in terms of trade now it is clear Bozo is the sock puppet to DC? Also how easy lying clearly comes to him, complete lack of concern when caught in a lie and the lengths our PM will go to to protect him? The clearer-by-the-day connections to US and their standards are becoming? I am not sure I would feel particularly safe in any contract with UK atm.

DGRossetti · 28/05/2020 18:48

An MP responds:

Thank you for writing to me about the Dominic Cummings story. The volume of emails I have received about this are like nothing since I have become an MP. The outpouring of grief and dismay I have read from dozens upon dozens of constituents really proves how badly the Government has got this wrong.

I agree completely that there cannot be one rule for the Prime Minister’s senior advisor, and another for everyone else. The British people have made heart-wrenching sacrifices to support the national effort, including being away from family in times of need. To insist that Dominic Cummings did nothing wrong is insulting to the millions of people who have done the right thing, and in the process saved countless lives.

As you know, on Friday the Mirror reported that Dominic Cummings had broken lockdown to travel to Durham to stay on his family’s estate. The Government’s response to these allegations was initially to deny claims and dismiss the story from “campaigning newspapers”. As reports of further subsequent sightings of Dominic Cummings in Durham emerged, the Government claimed that the 260 mile trip was ‘essential’ and within the rules due to the need to seek childcare for Cummings’ four year old son, after his wife began displaying symptoms of COVID-19.

Mr Cummings’ actions fly in the face of Government guidance to ‘stay at home’ if anyone in your household displays symptoms of COVID-19; to not make long, unnecessary journeys; and certainly not while symptomatic. Despite Downing Street initially contesting the story, in his press conference on Monday Mr Cummings also confirmed, perhaps most ridiculously of all, that he drove to a beauty spot 40 minutes away from his family home in Durham with his wife and child in order to ’test his eyesight’ to ensure he was safe to drive back to London to work. The DVLA has confirmed that you should under no circumstances do this if you have concerns about your eyesight, and Durham Constabulary has today confirmed that this is a clear breach of the lockdown rules.

Since this story broke more than 100 constituents have written to me with stories about the agonising decisions they have had to make in order to comply with the guidance. People grieving in isolation, who have been unable to attend funerals; who have not been able to hold the hands of their loved ones as they passed away; and the doctors who have had to deliver that news.

The Prime Minister’s attempt to argue that Mr Cummings acted “responsibly and legally and with integrity and with the overwhelming aim of stopping the spread of the virus” is insulting to not only the intelligence of the British people, but the heart-rending sacrifices so many ordinary people have made. The Government has appeared willing to effectively tear up vital public health guidance in order to protect one man’s job.

I am concerned that public confidence in the public health guidance will be mortally wounded following this episode. These rules are there to protect all of us, and will remain vital if we are to successfully implement a track and trace system and transition safely out of the lockdown. SAGE member Professor Stephen Reicher has said this episode “undermines coronavirus rules and means more people will die”.

I know how strongly people feel about this issue, and I completely share your dismay. Labour’s leader Keir Starmer has said that if he was Prime Minister, he would have sacked Dominic Cummings. Boris Johnson should follow that advice.

Once again, I am grateful for you for raising this with me, and moreover your selfless adherence to the rules over this difficult past few months. Please, if you have any further queries, do not hesitate to get in touch.

Yours sincerely,

Preet Kaur Gill MP | Member of Parliament for Edgbaston

DGRossetti · 28/05/2020 18:51

Meanwhile, across an ocean ...

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/28/trump-draft-order-could-expose-twitter-and-facebook-to-more-lawsuits

Donald Trump is preparing to sign an executive order that could erode legal protections for social media companies for content posted on their platforms, potentially opening them to liability claims over controversial content.

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will UK Tory party policy be collateral damage ?

LouiseCollins28 · 28/05/2020 19:20

“An MP respond” A Labour MP she would be? wouldnt she DGR

pointythings · 28/05/2020 19:23

Louise what does it matter what party she's from? It's a much better response than the automated email I got from mine. It is an MP's job to serve his or her constituents and listen to their concerns. Please don't start saying that only Tory MPs are allowed to say anything about this.

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