Westministenders: The Truth Isn't A Made Up Concept

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“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

Not George Orwell but often attributed to him. But a powerful statement with resonance nonetheless

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Damning BMJ editorial.

Regrettably, questions of conscience and duty must now be addressed.

www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2102

Regrettably, questions of conscience and duty must now be addressed.

Why ? Or, more pertinently ... who's gonna make us ?

The article is pointing the finger at Whitty and Vallance. Didn’t you read it?

Thanks for that link Sabrina. Interesting discussion in the Comments section.

The article is pointing the finger at Whitty and Vallance. Didn’t you read it?

Why would I do that ? Nothing will come of it, and I will have wasted time that could be spent much more usefully elsewhere.

If I were in government and wanted to wear down my opponents in a war of attrition, I'd be more than delighted at a flood of articles designed to generate frothing and discussion which have fuck all chance of actually ending in action.

But Corbyn.

So well done on posting your opinion on something you hadn’t actually read.

Although I’m not surprised.

So well done on posting your opinion on something you hadn’t actually read.

I didn't express an opinion about the piece. You have no idea what I may or may not think about it.

What I did say was that irrespective of what it says, nothing will happen.

If I'm wrong, fair enough. I'm the idiot you already think I am.

But if I'm right, then I had 5 minutes or so more time to do something else that might have more chance of bringing this shower of shits to account. Although - as I intimated - I really don't think that's possible anymore. Not as things stand.

Incidentally, this is the Brexit forum. So not reading material is sort of expected in the main. Especially if you have to vote on it in parliament later.

yorkshirebylines.co.uk/ex-tory-mep-breaks-ranks-to-demand-an-extension-to-the-transition-period/

You did express an opinion:

who's gonna make us ?

Without knowing who the “who” would be.

You did express an opinion:

Not on the content of the article, but the outcome. As I said. Anyway, I get it. I'm an idiot. It took over 2 years of me posting here, but you figured it out. Clearly a Rumplestiltskin moment.

Ex Tory MEP? The Johnson answer to that will be So What?

Well done DGR

generate frothing and discussion which have fuck all chance of actually ending in action.

Politically I'm on your side DGR - but isn't the above really what this and all MN threads are about? They're not going to change anything but exist for discussion alone?

What's going on? I am lost...

To change the subject, hardly anyone in my local area sent their year 6s back today. We are in a 3 tier area. the transition argument doesn't work. They literally do nothing at the end of year 6 in a middle school other than nice things. There was also huge parental concerns about buses and transport, since many middle school children travel by bus. Omnishambles.

piggy I grew up under three tier though my DC go to a two tier. Year 6 was always stupid for three tier places. 8s or 4s (or both) would have made so much more sense. One of my more unpopular opinions has always been that I think the three tier system works better for children, socially at least. That said most people who I've expressed that to seem to have no idea a three tier system exists at all.

Ds2 (y6) went back today.
I'm still SO conflicted about this.
Dh adamant he needed to go back. Ds2 wanted to go back.
Sigh.
We shall see.

..
Still no word re: ds1 (y12)
I've told him he may not even be back in September...

The 3 tier is good in many ways , although,as I work in an upper school , I do find year 9s very dependent and babyish. I do like upper schools, on the whole, though as they feel more grown up : rarely fit into any government policy making, however, so they are dwindling.

It really is stupid to have year 6s back in a middle school, not least because it will literally be their only year group! Nice and easy for social distancing mind.

Thanks titchy - briefly got a tad stir crazy there.

DD2 goes back part time on the 15th. We don't yet know what that looks like, but she's looking forward to more (socially distanced) time with her classmates.

Johnson and his Cabinet ought to understand about 3 tier systems; after all, Eton is the upper end of a three tier system. He won't have the first clue about State Schools. Cummings ought to be able to help out. I believe he went to a state primary, and then Durham School - which if it's being fed by both State and Prep schools will probably have a year 7 and a year 9 entry.

Oxford City used to have a three tier system although they got rid of it 20 or so years ago. Although its introduction was dressed up as being on educational grounds, rumour (teacher friends) had it that it was as much to do with some of the buildings - to big for primary schools but too small for secondary, so bingo, create something mid-sized. I think they were then got rid of on cost grounds - 3 tier system, 3 head teachers required, 2 tier system 2.

Johnson and his Cabinet ought to understand about 3 tier systems;

The levels of car trim in the 70s were directly equated with social status ... Base model, L, GL, LX, GLX ...

It really is stupid to have year 6s back in a middle school, not least because it will literally be their only year group! Nice and easy for social distancing mind.
My DC go to an infants and a a juniors. While they're named the same they are totally separate schools, one in a federation with another school too. Infants was due to only have 1 year not back but decided not to take y1 at this time. Juniors is open for y6 and key workers only. About a third of y6 going back. Infants won't have help or the space to fit more in partly the managements fault there. Juniors has the help of the other federated school and I think their staff are helping there where needed.