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Westministenders: Reployed back to No Deal Planning

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RedToothBrush · 18/05/2020 22:52

Now Covid-19 is over (yeah I know right) lots of civil servants who were switched from brexit no deal planning to covid-19 planning have been switched back to their original remit.

For some reason this doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

We've also seen yet another doubling down on the EU not being flexible and how they need to make a deal. And lots of rhetoric about being serious about no transiton planning.

Remember we have something of a deadline looming at the end of next month.

So before we are even out of this crisis, the government have lost interest. Today's press conference was an eye opener - Van Tam openly said that the time taken to get test results was too long and wasn't good enough yet and meant track and trace wasnt still operational despite it being such a crucial factor in being able to go into the next phase as planned on 1st June.

Another deadline we won't make - the Manchester Nightgale still has patients and the local authorities in the NW are going mental. So the government is playing more silly buggers over blame and villianising the evil workshy teachers. Noting the government guidance for teachers on how to teacher children at home says fuck all and the guidance on reopening schools makes a Theresa May dog ate my homework style document look positively well thought out, in terms of practicality. (Not even going to touch on the question of whether its safe - the whether its workable one is more important).

I guess that means things are getting back to normal at least.

A recession looms, but workers rights are now fair game and fully in the government cross hairs - as we see from a lack of PPE for the 'heroes' and the attacks on the teachers. As well as the carers who were sold down river. That'll be the ununionised carers...

Taking back control.

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MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 19/05/2020 16:44

That map is out of date.

It's all one big Stars & Stripes now.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/05/2020 16:52

Coronavirus: Care home bosses say there is 'stark' difference between government talk and reality

Same as their talk on everything else ....

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-care-home-bosses-accuse-government-of-prioritising-nhs-not-most-vulnerable-people-11991078

The head of a large care home company says there is a "disconnect" between government rhetoric and what is actually happening.

ListeningQuietly · 19/05/2020 16:56

Re the care homes
its the fact that overworked zero hour agency staff with no PPE went from home to home and patient to patient
that should change NOW and EVERYWHERE
groups I've seen have been making simple scrubs for home visit staff so they can change outer layer for every patient and then boil wash multiple sets every day
however
Those jobs are low paid, low skilled so will not meet Priti's points
Who will do them when the Forriners are gone and the Brits find other jobs?

Peregrina · 19/05/2020 16:59

^Those jobs are low paid, low skilled so will not meet Priti's points
Who will do them when the Forriners are gone and the Brits find other jobs?^

I have got to the stage, as I think others have, of thinking "that's what they voted for, let them get on with it."

ListeningQuietly · 19/05/2020 17:05

Peregrina
Oh indeed
and at least we'll get a Tariff cut on mirrors - that will make all the difference Grin

A scared populace is easier to control.
COVID is the perfect cover for Cummings nihilistic approach to Government
we are all frogs in the pan at the moment

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 19/05/2020 17:05

Another 450 dead yesterday, and those are just the ones who tested positve before they died. This is not over.

But Parliament is off on its hols again tomorrow afternoon, so it's alright for some.

Singasonga · 19/05/2020 17:06

When I'm feeling especially cynical, I wonder if Dom's big plan to solve the social care/pensions problem without keeping high immigration and/or raising taxes has been to let covid-19 run rampant through Britain's elderly population.

The head of a large care home company says there is a "disconnect" between government rhetoric and what is actually happening.

That kind of feedback from care homes doesn't make me feel any more positive.

Peregrina · 19/05/2020 17:09

The only problem is, with that idea, is that the Tory vote is concentrated more in the elderly.

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 19/05/2020 17:11

The third Brexit referendum is going to be a rejoin landslide at this rate.

DGRossetti · 19/05/2020 17:12

Anyone remember Sherlock ? His Last Vow ?

I don't have to prove it. I just have to print it.

We've moved into government by headline. Forget the reality. It's the first headlines people believe.

Need to carry out 100,000 tests a day ? Just print a headline saying you have. Enough of the public will believe you to gaslight the rest.

ListeningQuietly · 19/05/2020 17:14

The only problem is, with that idea, is that the Tory vote is concentrated more in the elderly.
But not of the care home variety ....
The oldest borough in the country has had very few deaths due to Covid
so they will happily re elect Chope if he stands

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 19/05/2020 17:16

The curve is not symmetrical. it is flattening at a plateau around 50% of the peak.

Who needs a second wave when your first wave refuses to go away.

Football. That's what we need in times like these.

DGRossetti · 19/05/2020 17:20

The only problem is, with that idea, is that the Tory vote is concentrated more in the elderly.

If we are thinking about the next election, then a great unknown will be how the demographics will fall out. I had a vague thought that we could end up with a generation that should be a shoe-in for the Tories as they'll be the middle class middle aged homeowners, but the reality is they got that status because their older relatives were euthanised by Boris. And we all know how people bite the hand that feeds.

That's if we ever bother having an election again ... do overseas US territories have governments ?

yoikes · 19/05/2020 17:27

My sil has been rushed to hospital :(

Singasonga · 19/05/2020 17:34

The only problem is, with that idea, is that the Tory vote is concentrated more in the elderly

Yes, but the 80 seat majority came from roping in a lot of people in the UK rustbelt who want to believe they can get rid of immigrants, break all ties with Europe, and still end up with good jobs, comfortable lives and all the fishing quotas they sold decades ago.

I am seeing the possibility of a very right-wing American economic strategy: get the angry people in the North AND the comfortable in the South to vote for patriotism and reducing the welfare state, then allow the only way to give it to them to actually happen by reducing the number of elderly, NHS-using pension-collectors.

And it was all the pandemic's fault. No-one could see it coming in spite of being at the top of the civil risk register for years, etc etc. Just like no-one could see the fallout of Brexit because there's no such thing as a crystal ball, etc etc. We all know the talking points by now.

Singasonga · 19/05/2020 17:35

Cross-posted - really sorry to hear it, yoikes. Am thinking of you.

Peregrina · 19/05/2020 17:43

Yes, but the 80 seat majority came from roping in a lot of people in the UK rustbelt who want to believe they can get rid of immigrants, break all ties with Europe, and still end up with good jobs, comfortable lives and all the fishing quotas they sold decades ago.

Yes, but there is strong evidence that they are communities with higher age profiles than elsewhere - because young people have gone where the jobs are. I think they will find that the current batch of Tories don't offer them anything.

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 19/05/2020 17:48

When the time comes to get a bit more money coming into the Treasury, and decide who is best placed to pay the extra tax, then we shall see what the new red wall Tory MPs are made of.

OldLace · 19/05/2020 17:52

Thanks, Red
Just put on the TV in time to see the 'Any Qu's' part of the Daily Propaganda Show.
Gosh, it's a bit nippy today, isn't it?
Minister just keeps saying: 'we don't accept your caricature of Govt' and the Science woman sounds odd? She seems to be saying that the Govt does not have a good operational testing system too??

Sorry, Dame Anglea McLean: 'the advice we gave took account of the testing available' - she was really pissed off, I thought

More info re track n trace / Schools avail on Thursday she says.
Asked the journo if he knew more than she did?
And 'pick for Britain' - pick fruit and veg - use the new Govt website - which has crashed. You couldn't make it up.

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 19/05/2020 17:59

Over on CNN they are spluttering their outrage at 90,000 deaths. Our figure, pro-rata, comes out at 180,000.

We are twice as bad as Trumpland.

ListeningQuietly · 19/05/2020 18:12

Mockers
Trumpland will be much worse by the time its reached all 48 states
California dodged a bullet by locking down early but that is one place where I do think there will be a second wave because of the lack of health cover

which brings us back to Priti's points Hmm

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 19/05/2020 18:19

Meanwhile, maybe a few MPs with two weeks off starting tomorrow could go and pick strawberries?

mrslaughan · 19/05/2020 18:20

Around me - beds/herts and bucks it was farmers ..... and I know one "landowner" on the herts/Essex boarder who also voted brexit- he is a classic brexiteer..... the ones I know around here, are not and I just didn't understand it. I would love to know what micro-targeting they were subjected too....
(One argument I heard - when I asked- is they had to learn to live without subsidies- given the persons livelihood depended on them, it was like turkeys voting for Xmas.

dontcallmelen · 19/05/2020 19:07

yoikes thinking of you.

Tanith · 19/05/2020 19:07

Article in the Guardian is claiming the UK deliberately scuppered its pandemic response:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/19/uk-government-pandemic