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Westministenders: Lockdown continues

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/04/2020 16:32

The UK has been on lockdown since 23 March,
with no end in sight.

The deaths peak is predicted to be around 17 April,
with the controversial IHME prediction that the UK will have considerably more total deaths - 66,000 - by summer than other European countries.

Supermarkets are struggling to satisfy demand for online slots for the vulnerable
and to keep shelves supplied for other customers

Like all countries, the UK economy is being hammered and heading for a deep recession.
Estimates are for UK GDP to fall 15% this year.

A million people have applied for Universal Credit
The self-employed and small - and some large - businesses are struggling to stay solvent.

They don't know how long to plan for.

The PM is in ICU and Raab has taken over as stand-in, but needs Cabinet approval for decisions.
Probably BJ will be unfit to resume his duties as PM for several weeks, if ever.

WIll he stand down soon and let the Cabinet choose a new PM,
or will the UK continue for weeks with a stand-in leader during the worst crisis since WW2

What's the plan, anybody?

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TatianaBis · 13/04/2020 19:31

Britain missed three opportunities to be part of an EU scheme to bulk-buy masks, gowns and gloves and has been absent from key talks about future purchases, the Guardian can reveal amid growing pressure on ministers to protect NHS medics and care workers on the coronavirus frontline.

European doctors and nurses are preparing to receive the first of €1.5bn (£1.3bn) worth of personal protective equipment (PPE) within days or a maximum of two weeks through a joint procurement scheme involving 25 countries and eight companies, according to internal EU documents.

The EU’s swift work has led to offers of medical equipment, including masks, overalls and goggles, in excess of the number requested, a spokesman for the European commission said. The EU is separately establishing stockpiles within member states, with the first being set up in Romania.

TatianaBis · 13/04/2020 19:36

I can tell you that for every #COVID19 death at a hospital, I deal with 5 at a care home - I’ve been to 4 care homes in 2 days”. The words of a funeral director I spoke to in the north of England. It’s in the public interest for the deaths to be included in the daily briefing.

The care home situation is appalling. And terrifying for anyone who has a relative in one. France is counting them. It’s inexcusable.

missclimpson · 13/04/2020 19:42

Just watching Macron. Lockdown continues to May 11th then some reopening of nurseries and schools. No public events until at least mid July. Very impressive speech again.

JeSuisPoulet · 13/04/2020 19:43

Tatiana I pointed this out on fb and an army medic tried to tell me I had no way of proving that if we had accepted the offer of PPE (which wasn't "free" as he kept wanging on) we could have saved any lives. It was quite something, considering how much army boots were a concern only a couple of decades ago when going into battle...

TatianaBis · 13/04/2020 19:47

It’s one thing to have missed one chance as was previously reported, either from Brexit ideology or fuckwittwage. But 3?

yoikes · 13/04/2020 19:47

Just heard a lovely lady I know died earlier today.

RIP Sue. What a kind and gentle lady you were x

Feel rather tearful today.

JeSuisPoulet · 13/04/2020 19:48

Welcome to Brexit Britain Flowers Wine
Any news on when Dysons sucking ventilators will be able to start being manufactured? Or hasn't he got his patent through yet?

BurneyFanny · 13/04/2020 19:49

Michael also held his hand up to mistakes early on as well. Quite the contrast to Priti.

BurneyFanny · 13/04/2020 19:49

Macron not Michael! Bloody autocorrect

JeSuisPoulet · 13/04/2020 19:51

Apologies Yoikes that wasn't in response to your loss.

I will offer you more Gin and Flowers though.

A friend saw a body being removed from the house opposite today. She said the most upsetting thing (other than her not even knowing them or knowing they were ill) was that they died "in vain" because their death wouldn't even be recorded to help with stats Sad

AuldAlliance · 13/04/2020 20:00

Macron announced testing for anyone who shows any symptoms after 11th May, by which time there will be enough tests. Which seemed credible when he said it, whereas I doubt much of what the UK gvmt announces... And does suggest a lot of self-isolation and quarantine in the months to come.

Much thanking of and praise for the public respecting the rules.

Also references to the future that needs to be built, an unexpected (by me, anyway...) call to cancel 3rd World debt and more allusions to how France and the EU will have to rely less on imports of drugs, PPE and other goods in the future. Emphasis on rebuilding EU solidarity.

A clear mention of the fact that the country is relying very heavily on workers whose jobs are poorly paid and insufficiently recognised.

In 3 weeks from now French factories will have multiplied national production of masks by 5 and manufactured 2000 extra ventilators.

But only a small percentage of the population has had CV, so a virus is key.

As BurneyFanny said, several references were made early on to failings, weaknesses, errors and delays that will need to be investigated and remedied. No snippy faux Patel-style apology...

AuldAlliance · 13/04/2020 20:01

Flowers Yoikes

BigChocFrenzy · 13/04/2020 20:01

That's sad, Yoikes
You remember her, but can't really pay your respects at her funeral

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BigChocFrenzy · 13/04/2020 20:03

Mortality associated with COVID-19 outbreaks in care homes: early international evidence

In the USA and Europe, care homes can have half of all COVID deaths, but not recorded

https://ltccovid.org/2020/04/12/mortality-associated-with-covid-19-outbreaks-in-care-homes-early-international-evidence/

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Peregrina · 13/04/2020 20:05

Well, I am not holding my breath for any of that in the UK, despite Johnson's new found enthusiasm for the NHS.

TatianaBis · 13/04/2020 20:14

Sorry to hear that yoikes. Daffodil

TatianaBis · 13/04/2020 20:18

Unless Boris has a new found enthusiasm for truth and transparency not just the NHS I won’t hold my breath.

TatianaBis · 13/04/2020 20:18

Either.

AuldAlliance · 13/04/2020 20:20

Macron gets to make fine speeches and leave the nitty gritty to the PM and ministers. But he does do it well.

squid4 · 13/04/2020 21:06

I have an awful lot to say about coronavirus, but I am constrained by tiredness and anonymity and emotions and guilt and all sorts.

So the view from the frontline, in my large northern hospital... it is quieter than it has been in over 3 years. People are not coming to hospital. There is a lot of covid, and the people who do come are extremely sick, half the patients I saw today will not live the day, but most other stuff has stopped coming.

ITU is full, but we have spaceto expand because we have stopped so many other services, redeployed so many doctors and nurses from those stopped services. I hear the geriatrics wards and the resp wards are grim. I'm in A&E.

We are running low on PPE, but I haven't seen it run out mid shift yet. A local school has made us a load of visors, and we are rewashing things, but I don't think I'm going to come to harm. Maybe that's just the arrogance of the young & healthy.

We have been staff testing for a long time - we are way ahead of the curve in England for this. So we have absences, but then they tend to test negative and come back to work within a couple of days. I know some friends/colleagues who are in hospital. Not serious, not ITU. Not yet had that heartbreak.

I feel like - I should not complain. I certainly feel like I have worked much much harder in the last few years than I am working now. And M&S gave us easter eggs this weekend. Makes me feel like a fraud.

I'm sure tory bots, like the many on this thread, could just copy&pastewhat I've said so far and that would be fine for them. (My DP works in marketing and says it is well known that 60-70% of mumsnet chat forum is PAID CONTENT?!! Did you know this!!??? I feel astounded)

Working is scary, of course - it is scarier thinking about it at home than actually there inresus where there is stuff to do. I am not really worrried about myself. I am lucky enough to have a healthy young DP and healthy children (actually my daughter had cancer as a baby, but she's fine now, though that "had underlying health conditions" line really rankles with me, my baby should live a lifetime).

I am extremely worried about the fracturing society. I am not clever enough to understand the economic stuff. My DP works in marketing and says all Sunak's great sounding business bailouts are only helping a fraction of businesses and they are mainly going under. Foodbanks can't cope, poverty is grim. Are we the third world? How have we come to this? I am so deeply ashamed of my country.

Our ambulance service have been telling me - individually and I pulled the numbers today - that they normally see 3-4 cardiac arrests per day in our wider area - currently it's 15 per day. People are not accessing help. They are dying at home (this is separate from the care home issue). These things are complex, there will be health conditions that are better under lockdown - we are getting less trauma and less drunken idiocy - but that was never our main intake despite what the tabloids say - and then people are not coming in. With heart attacks and strokes. They are too scared to come. And they are dying. I think.

I'm uneasy and anxious. The summer, autumn is going to be bad. I think everyone will turn up with neglected conditions as soon as the lockdown is lifted. I don't even want to think about the 2 week wait cancer problem, endoscopy shut. I don't even want to think about next winter.

I'm angry. I worked unbearable understaffed shifts worsening every winter for the last 3 , 4 years or so. I've seen so much harm and so much death. I've seen so many wonderful colleagues leave, amazing experienced caring doctors and nurses going back to their own countries feeling unwanted after brexit, the young british doctors looking for better working conditions in other countries. We've run a health service on the brink for years and I said back in January/February the NHS is good at rallying for emergencies, but when you are already on a cliff edge, even if you stand and fight, after, what is left afterwards?

Also I don't understand how 900 deaths/day in Italy is an unbearable tragedy but 900 British deaths in a day is no biggie.

Sorry if that is muddled. I'm tired.

DGRossetti · 13/04/2020 21:14

The animated graphic halfway down here should terrify Americans

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51235105

Peregrina · 13/04/2020 21:15

And M&S gave us easter eggs this weekend. Makes me feel like a fraud.

You are definitely not a fraud - count it as a small token of thanks for the years you have already put in when under extreme pressure.

ListeningQuietly · 13/04/2020 21:31

squid4
You are definitely not a fraud
and what you say about other health issues not coming into hospitals early enough to treat is very resonant of what I'm seeing on my FB feed
(friends are reporting the deaths of parents and grandparents on a daily basis, those with dementia are being hit extra hard)

ListeningQuietly · 13/04/2020 21:34

DGR
The animated graphic halfway down here should terrify Americans
Those that look at real news maybe
but the Trump supporters will ignore it totally

yoikes · 13/04/2020 21:35

squid
I don't know what to say.
I'm e mailing my mp about the ppe shortages.
You are NOT a fraud!
I share your worry re: non covid-19 deaths.
I know that there have been deaths in the local care home.
Just awful.

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