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Westminstenders: A test of logistic planning

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2020 15:32

We are witnessing a demonstration in Government crisis management.

For the past week journalists have asked the same questions and politicians have said they've already done it / are doing it in the near future. But as time wears on, the inability to produce the answers or demonstrate results is proving illusive.

This will have consequences.

It is a demonstration in how planning has proved to be lacking in certain areas.

With Brexit in mind, the lack of vision, coordination with business and wider capability and capacity this does not bode well.

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mrslaughan · 04/04/2020 12:08

Squid- parliament can't function - so a government of national unity is surely more democratic?
Bets being placed in our house -(metaphorically) that that is what Queenie's announcement is about tomorrow.......

I am so so upset/disappointed that the captain of the aircraft carrier was fired - absolutely disgusting. And talk about trumped up - basically because he didn't ensure its confidentiality....... I wonder who leaked it.......

Peregrina · 04/04/2020 12:15

Bets being placed in our house -(metaphorically) that that is what Queenie's announcement is about tomorrow.......

Hmm - I think you might lose that one. It will be some flim-flam about 'These difficult times, we must pull together.'

If we were to have a Govt of National unity then the first scalp they should ask for is Johnson's. Followed in short order by Priti Patel.

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 04/04/2020 12:23

...In these difficult times, we must pull together.

.....Whilst remaining 2M apart.

(Or 6ft if you're Farage.)

Peregrina · 04/04/2020 12:27

Or 6ft if you are Rees-Mogg, or perhaps he would go for half a rod, or a pole or a perch, since he belongs to the 17th Century.

TheABC · 04/04/2020 12:28

I am pleased about Starmar. If the trans debate showed anything, he was the only candidate that could actually read, think ahead and show some kind of political nous.

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 04/04/2020 12:28

I doubt that JRM would go for a Pole. Unless it was Daniel Kawczynski.

Peregrina · 04/04/2020 12:32

You're right there Mockers....

Peregrina · 04/04/2020 12:38

Laura Kuenssberg did not seem happy.

Has Johnson sent his congratulations yet?

AuldAlliance · 04/04/2020 12:39

squid, I'm too ashamed of my garden to show you the tulips in flower, but this is for you. (With the added bonus of allowing for a wee game of "identify the DVD in the background"...)
Hope you are OK and know how much you and your colleagues are valued and respected.

The firing of that US captain is just outrageous. Like many firings carried out by Trump.
Jared fucking Kushner being roped in to help with CV policy is criminally irresponsible nepotism IMO.

I taught a 2hr online class this morning to a group of English teachers preparing for a highly competitive exam in difficult circumstances. Just seeing different faces and making jokes, after so long with only my DC (whom I love to bits, don't get me wrong), really brought home to me how much I miss other human interaction. Waving at my neighbours every evening from our windows when we clap at 8pm is all very well, but not quite enough.
Anyone doing lockdown alone gets extra Flowers and support from me.

Westminstenders: A test of logistic planning
MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 04/04/2020 12:41

Meanwhile, it is to be hoped that the (metaphorical) pearl-handled revolvers have been left on Formby and Murphy's desks.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/04/2020 12:46

"The article about Medley.... well he's a modeller"

My own conclusion after 40 years of compelx maths / physics modelling:

Modelling can be very valuable providing you are aware of the limitations of both the input data and the model itself
wrt real life

Like wanking, if you do too much of it, you can forget the real thing
Wink

DGRossetti · 04/04/2020 13:00

Squid- parliament can't function - so a government of national unity is surely more democratic?

Except - unless I am being spectacularly thick - Boris hasn't mentioned anything of the kind.

DGRossetti · 04/04/2020 13:06

If we were to have a Govt of National unity then the first scalp they should ask for is Johnson's. Followed in short order by Priti Patel.

Laconic reply noted Grin

Fantasising about the never-to-happen GNU, unless Johnson resigns, it would be hard to argue on the maths he's Prime Minister. However he would have to make some serious cross-party appointments to be taken seriously. Which I have no real thoughts on. However, given the dogs breakfast and building tsunami of potential cases that will blow the recent legislation out of this galaxy, I can see a very good case for the newly appointed Sir Keir Starmer to use his legal skills in re-drafting it so it works ?

Scottish and Welsh interests would also need to be reflected.

All reasons why it ain't gonna happen.

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 04/04/2020 13:28

The Opposition, especially their new leader, aren't dumb enough to take a share of the blame without any of the authority.

The serious suggestion is for a Covid Select Ctee chaired by the Leader of the Opposition but with a Tory (backbench) majority.

Meanwhile plans for the online parliament proceed apace, which will prove v.useful when they have to shut the place very soon before it falls down around their ears (metaphor).

They might not ever come back.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/04/2020 13:30

Adding people from other parties to COBRA & SAGE meetings is important in this emergency,
when Parliament is so limited

This gives input into decision making - although according to Khan, the govt is overruling Opposition politicians

A GNU wouldn't add anything useful atm

  • the last thing we want are new ministers having to learn their new roles for the next few months

It would only be for the purpose of making Labour, LDems, SNP share the blame

  • in fact take the blame, looking at the fate of the LDems after their coalition with the Tories

There is no time to negotiate for weeks on what policies can be agreed
and the govt have a large majority to enable them to pass any new legislation they want

Many of the current and future difficulties arise from poor decisions this govt and its predecessors made over the last 10 years

DGRossetti · 04/04/2020 13:30

Just done a YouGov survey, and was very disappointed to see a nastily casually racist question in the mix. No mistaking their agenda anymore.

However, more interesting and less distressing were ...

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HesterThrale · 04/04/2020 13:40

Others on here will understand the implications for the NEC more than I. But this looks like good news for Starmer.

Corbynsceptics sweep the board in Labour’s ruling body by-elections

labourlist.org/2020/04/corbynsceptics-sweep-the-board-in-labours-ruling-body-by-elections/

ListeningQuietly · 04/04/2020 13:55

DGR
YouGov ask the questions they are paid to ask.
So the racists are the people paying them.

dontcallmelen · 04/04/2020 14:18

Just on the local radio an expert condemning the government for not ordering the chemicals required quickly enough for testing, unlike other countries who weren’t so lackadaisical, sorry didn’t catch his name this was on BBC radio London during the news a shirt while ago.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/04/2020 17:06

All we needed in this crisis was conspiracy nutters turning to arson

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/04/uk-phone-masts-attacked-amid-5g-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory

Three recent mobile phone mast fires around the UK are being investigated as possible arsons, amid concerns that people are attacking telecoms infrastructure because of a conspiracy theory linking 5GG^ technology to the spread of coronavirus. 🤦🏻‍♀️

NHS England’s national medical director Stephen Powis on the 5g conspiracy nutters:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/04/uk-coronavirus-live-saturday-covid-19-latest-updates

"It is absolute and utter rubbish and I can’t condemn it stronger terms than that."

He said he was “disgusted” and “outraged” at reports of people taking out 5G masts at this time of national crisis.

He stressed that phone networks are crucial for people staying in touch with loved ones at this difficult time,
but also vital for the emergency services.

mrslaughan · 04/04/2020 17:41

...... and do we even have 5G is the uk yet?....

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 04/04/2020 17:44

Carrie Symons has symptoms.

bit.ly/2X56hzL

BigChocFrenzy · 04/04/2020 18:15

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-putin-seeks-political-point-scoring-in-covid-19-world-crisis-11968582

Anastasia Vasilyeva from the Alliance of Doctors union has consistently and publicly called the Kremlin out for allegedly downplaying the number of cases in Russia.

On Thursday, she was arrested as she tried to deliver masks and PPE to hospitals in the Novgorod region.

"The medicine in the country is terrible.
We don't have hospitals, we don't have the staff, we don't have a medical industry,"
she told Sky News two weeks ago.

"Of course it's not good for the government to say we have coronavirus and these are the real numbers of deaths.

It will just prove the fact that they, the government, President Putin, caused all this to happen.
"We'll have a death toll a few times higher than in developed countries because medicine here is so bad."

ListeningQuietly · 04/04/2020 18:18

Mockers
Much as I despise Johnson, I feel incredibly sorry for Carrie at the moment because she is utterly trapped and unable to go see her family and friends at a time when she most needs mental and physical support.

BurneyFanny · 04/04/2020 18:42

I feel bad for her but I can’t help wondering why she gets a test.