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Westminstenders: A test of logistic planning

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2020 15:32

We are witnessing a demonstration in Government crisis management.

For the past week journalists have asked the same questions and politicians have said they've already done it / are doing it in the near future. But as time wears on, the inability to produce the answers or demonstrate results is proving illusive.

This will have consequences.

It is a demonstration in how planning has proved to be lacking in certain areas.

With Brexit in mind, the lack of vision, coordination with business and wider capability and capacity this does not bode well.

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DGRossetti · 04/04/2020 08:46

We should find out in a couple of hours who has replaced him. Maybe then it will shut up the Corbyn would do worse brigade.

If past performance is anything to go by, they will have unerringly and with almost surgical precision managed to choose the worst of all options. Sadly continuing their long voyage into obscurity via irrelevance. We can only hope that some of the new-blue Northern Tories are actually undercover socialists who (correctly) saw they'd personally go further in blue than red, and can now "turn coats" (in a nod to any Hibernian posters ...)

DGRossetti · 04/04/2020 08:53

I wonder if one of our tame Tories could come along and explain how it's absolutely fine, because it's being spent by the Tory party, so it's really the natural order of things.

They'll say it's different money. With a straight face. (Proving once again that fact can hide in jest, since "different money" is exactly what you can do with a digital currency ... you can have "pleb money" which can only be spent, and "noble money" which can also be invested to earn interest etc. Yes you can. No it won't. Yes they will. They'll say it is, but that will be a new area of crime. Maybe. Definitely not. In that case all bets are off .....)

RedToothBrush · 04/04/2020 09:38

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/coronavirus-adviser-pm-wants-herd-21811857.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Coronavirus adviser to PM wants 'herd immunity' considered again to end lockdown
Professor Graham Medley, of Imperial College London, says the UK has 'painted itself into a corner' and that lockdown could cause more harm than coronavirus itself

The UK may need to reconsider a “herd immunity” strategy to defeat coronavirus, a senior adviser to the Prime Minister has warned.

Professor Graham Medley of Imperial College London, the government’s chief pandemic modeller, says the country has “painted itself into a corner” as it battles the deadly bug with no clear exit plan.

He said the UK needed to face the trade-off between harming the young versus the old.

Describing the stark choices facing the government, he says that long, indefinite periods of lockdown could cause more harm than the virus itself by leading to soaring unemployment, domestic violence, food poverty and mental illness.

Speaking to the Times, Professor Medley said: “We will have done three weeks of this lockdown so there’s a big decision coming up on April 13.

"In broad terms are we going to continue to harm children to protect vulnerable people, or not?

There is a link to the original times story in the article (its pay walled hence this link)

It looks like strategy will be expand capacity, reduce lockdown for the working population, let young healthy take gamble (some will lose) and then declare it safe for the vulnerable (those who have survived, particularly the ones in care homes - threads by Lewis Goodall last night and Peter Foster this morning are very sobering indeed).

It is just a question of how we are all psychologically prepared for this. The young healthy being cooped up for a while might make them more keen on the idea and the dispensability of the old.

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GaspodeWonderCat · 04/04/2020 09:51

Britain will not be able to relax its stringent lockdown rules until the end of May, a leading government adviser has said, warning that first the spread of coronavirus must slow and intense testing must be introduced.

Neil Ferguson, a leading professor of mathematical biology at Imperial College London, said work was under way to establish how the rules could eventually be relaxed.

09:07 Guardian live.

2 experts many opinions and Boris will make the decision - what could go wrong

Sosnueto - excellent shopping arrangements - impressed.

RedToothBrush · 04/04/2020 10:01

Boris Johnson @BorisJohnson
I have written to all leaders of opposition parties to invite them to work together at this moment of national emergency.

Ooh interesting timing.

Not in any way political.

I wonder who he has written to...

Westminstenders: A test of logistic planning
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Peregrina · 04/04/2020 10:07

What happened to the letters that he was going to send to each household?

Any PM before Cameron, I would have given the benefit of the doubt to, and say that he or she genuinely wanted to consult with the other parties. Now, with the Tory 80 seat majority, it's how can I pass the buck?

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 04/04/2020 10:07

Presumably once we have spent all the money that wasn't there, we shall have to revert to Tory Austerity and start slaughtering the first born of anyone with more than two kids claiming benefits and similar essential money-saving measures.

RedToothBrush · 04/04/2020 10:14

What happened to the letters that he was going to send to each household?

How many printers are currently operational? Then you have to do a mass mail out. And sort it via royal mail. Which is experiencing high sickness levels and high levels of post due to everything being online.

The logistics of this are well... Delayed like everything else in this crisis.

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MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 04/04/2020 10:46

....Any minute now: Labour headed back to sanity with Starmer, off into irrelevance with Nandy or up its own arse with Wrong-Daily....

Peregrina · 04/04/2020 10:54

Doh! The Labour website has crashed and is showing an error message.

Talk about not being able to organise a piss up in a brewery.

Peregrina · 04/04/2020 10:54

Starmer announced as the Leader. Sense returns to the Labour party.

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 04/04/2020 10:59

...Well thank fuck for that.

On the first ballot.

Rayner is Deputy Dawg on the third ballot.

missclimpson · 04/04/2020 10:59

Excellent news. Convincingly on the first round will help too.

LouiseCollins28 · 04/04/2020 11:05

I’m afraid Peregrina and DGR I’m afraid I can’t explain how this sort of approach is “absolutely fine” as a “tame Tory” (not really but I’ll take that on the chin), since I don’t think it is. Sorry to dissapoint.

Peregrina · 04/04/2020 11:07

You are obviously not a tame enough Tory Louise! I was thinking of another poster though, who should by now have come in with some cut n' paste.

Peregrina · 04/04/2020 11:09

Sir Keir Starmer – 275,780 (56.2%)
Rebecca Long-Bailey – 135,218 (27.6%)
Lisa Nandy – 79,597 (16.2%)

BigChocFrenzy · 04/04/2020 11:17

Trump vindictive as ever, punishes anyone who is not with him:

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/04/donald-trump-fires-intelligence-watchdog-michael-atkinson-impeachment

Donald Trump has fired the inspector general for the intelligence community who handled the whistleblower complaint that led to his impeachment,
prompting fierce criticism from Democrats.

The US president chose a Friday night, with America consumed by the coronavirus pandemic, to tell the House of Representatives and Senate intelligence committees of his decision to dismiss Michael Atkinson.

In a letter,
Trump claimed it was “vital” that he had confidence in the appointees serving as inspectors general,
and “that is no longer the case with regard to this inspector general”.

The president would nominate an individual who has his full confidence at a later date

ListeningQuietly · 04/04/2020 11:20

Emphatic win for Starmer.
Hopefully some of the Momentum crew will resign from Labour HQ right now
and Keir will be able to launch a press blitz to hold the Governments flip flopping to account.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/04/2020 11:23

The US Navy captain of an aircraft carrier who protected his crew from CV has been fired

  • for putting his sailors before his career and causing embarassment to the administration,

He received an incredible sendoff from the crew chanting his name:

"Captain Crozier"

Mistigri · 04/04/2020 11:26

Shame Rosina didn't get deputy though, in the current circumstances having a practising doctor as deputy would have been good

ListeningQuietly · 04/04/2020 11:27

mistigri
Still waiting to see the actual result of the deputy race - how much of a mandate does Rayner have ?

squid4 · 04/04/2020 11:29

Why are some in labour using Starmer's win to pile on anyone who supported corbyn? It's so petty and vindictive. I swear labour are their own worst enemy sometimes.
Wasn't he supposed to be the unity candidate!?
I didn't vote for him but he has my support 100%, don't purge me!

squid4 · 04/04/2020 11:30

Rayner is great too.

I see Johnson is already pleading for people to share the blame for his colossal fuck up

Peregrina · 04/04/2020 11:32

From the BBC:
Angela Rayner was elected at the third round, with 228,944 first and second preference votes in total, getting her to 52.6%.

Rosena Allin-Khan was the runner up with 118,853 total votes, whilst Richard Burgon came third with 92,643 total votes.

Dawn Butler was knocked out after the first round and therefore came last, whilst Ian Murray was knocked out in the second round.

mrslaughan · 04/04/2020 12:00

The article about Medley.... well he's a modeller, and must be discounting how the population feeling about the body count being in the 100,000's rather than 10,000's.

It's where you discover how the population values money v's life

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