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Westminstenders: The Mask is Slipping

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RedToothBrush · 17/02/2020 05:30

This week has seen the department of the Chancellor who launched a 50p piece, the serious contemplation of a tin pot bridge, the rebirth of eugenics as a subject for cabinet, the announcement of the end of the BBC as we know it, the cabinet chanting after the PM in a way Orwell would be proud of, suppression of a report into trade deals which dares to mention the effect of distance and geography, worrying signs of an ever growing rift with Europe over negotiations for a deal, an appointment which starts to make our membership of the ECHR look very dodgy and there have been rather a lot of floods which so far seemed to have escaped the attention of those in London busy in their own swamp.

It's becoming apparent very quickly just how Trump like our new government are and how they want the UK to emulate the very worst aspects of America.

We are falling fast and its not looking like it will be pretty.

All we need is a major global issue to test our national resilience and the incompetence will truly be laid bare for us all to see... But not necessarily speak of. Such us the way it works.

Brexit Britain is not a nice looking prospect.

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Peregrina · 29/02/2020 12:05

And since it didn't answer that post, it was a bit of a waste of time.

Clavinova · 29/02/2020 12:16

The Guardian haven't lined up a prison cell for Boris Johnson either;

"Rutnam said he had tried to reconcile with Patel, on the request of the cabinet secretary and Boris Johnson. “But despite my efforts to engage with her, Priti Patel has made no efforts to engage with me to discuss this,” he said."

Peregrina · 29/02/2020 12:22

Did anyone say that the Guardian had lined up a prison cell for Cummings and Johnson? I expressed an opinion. For Johnson, being sacked twice from a newspaper post for lying is just 'Good old Boris' in some people's eyes, and appears to have enhanced his reputation. Lying under oath is a very different kettle of fish being perjury, and can lead to a prison sentence. That is fact.

Jason118 · 29/02/2020 12:27

I'd very much like to understand which particular bits @Xenia et al are happy about? Seems like all the news is bad, there is nothing but clouds on the uplands, all actions seem to be making critical services worse.

TheElementsOdeToJoy · 29/02/2020 12:39

et al are happy about?

Well I suppose people who are wealthy enough not to depend on public services, are in good health, have not experienced adverse effects of the recent weather, are generally insulated from hardship, etc... are alright Jack.

DGRossetti · 29/02/2020 12:42

I imagine some people are giving thanks to God for this crisis ...

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-emergency-laws-health-safety-boris-johnson-uk-latest-a9366031.html

Downing Street said to be weighing limiting spread of virus against keeping economy alive

Emergency laws allowing health and safety measures to be bypassed in order to keep the country running should the coronavirus outbreak worsen will be rushed in next week amid No10 fears of an economic meltdown, reports suggest.

Councils, schools and the public sector will be given powers to suspend laws restricting classroom sizes and limiting the legal number of working hours in order to keep classes and supply chains running, according to The Times.

Rumours of the plans – which could see military doctors drafted in to help NHS hospitals cope – emerged hours after the Department of Health (DoH) revealed the virus had been transmitted within the UK for the first time.

Downing Street is weighing up whether to attempt to minimise the disruption to the economy, or prioritise saving lives by imposing intrusive restrictions, The Times reported.

London’s FTSE 100 share index suffered its worst one-week fall since last decade’s financial crash as a result of the virus, with £210bn erased from the value of the country’s top companies.

The government’s urgent contingency plans came as Boris Johnson was urged by Labour rivals and former senior Tories to “get a grip” of the coronavirus situation.

Insisting the deadly outbreak was his “top priority” the prime minister on Friday announced he would chair an emergency Cobra meeting — but not for three days time.

Meanwhile, the first UK national died from the virus in Japan after becoming infected on the Diamond Princess cruise liner, which has seen more than 700 of its passengers contract the deadly virus.

The man who died was one of at least four British cruise ship passengers who were taken to hospital in Japan after testing positive for the virus, which has now killed six of the people who contracted it onboard the ship.

Sally Abel was cleared of the virus on Thursday, while her husband David appeared optimistic, saying in a video broadcast: “Even if I’m still positive it’s not the end of the world.”

On British soil, the DoH warned it “is highly likely that we will soon see some instances of community transmission”, as it emerged the UK’s 20th patient may have been infected by someone who had not recently travelled overseas.

Health authorities scrambled to discover the original source of the virus, lamenting it remained “unclear” as experts warned doing so was “crucial” in order to prevent a more extensive spread.

“This case — a person testing positive for novel coronavirus with no known link to an affected area or known case — marks a new chapter for the UK and it will be crucial to understand where the infection came from to try to prevent more extensive spread,” said Jonathan Ball, professor of molecular virology at the University of Nottingham.

MashedPotatoBrainz · 29/02/2020 12:43

I'd very much like to understand which particular bits @Xenia et al are happy about?

From the comments I've read on other forums it seems that heads are very firmly in the sand. They think it's good that he didn't show in flood hit areas because it shows how busy he is doing brexit, as opposed to being on holiday again.

Eyewhisker · 29/02/2020 12:51

Wow for Philip Rutnam! I have worked with him in the past and have a lot of respect. This takes bravery and will probably do nothing but at least his conscience is clear.

pussycatinboots · 29/02/2020 13:00

DGR quite!
BJs in tray may be quite full by Monday.

He'll still do bugger all about anything though.

Xenia · 29/02/2020 13:28

As I seem to be the only Tory poster on the thread I am not sure there is a single thing I could say about this Government compared with a Corbyn one that is likely to change anyone's mind.

This Tory Government is sadly a large state high spend one and I want a much smaller state and much lower tax state so I am not saying it is my ideal by any means but it is much better than the alternative.

HenHarrier · 29/02/2020 13:31

Why is it people think if you’re anti-Tory then you’re automatically pro-Corbyn?

Jason118 · 29/02/2020 13:32

I see, the benefit is 'not Corbyn', the demon destroyer of worlds

Peregrina · 29/02/2020 13:36

An alternative would have been for Johnson, Rees-Mogg and co to have shown some loyalty to Theresa May and supported her.

Whether this Government is a high spend one on anything which matters is debatable.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/02/2020 13:45

Xenia Interesting if Tory supporters are happy that the government is bullying its own workers

BigChocFrenzy · 29/02/2020 13:46

"As I seem to be the only Tory poster on the thread"

OK, you skip over clavinova's interminable cut & pastes too ! 😂

BigChocFrenzy · 29/02/2020 13:48

These threads have spent a lot of spleen hammering Corbyn too

  • most of us think Brexit and this new Tory govt would never have happened without him

He was the Tories' best weapon

However, he's dead parrot news now
Soon there'll be a new Labour leader - it would be hard to find a worse one, but then many people said that about May .... and we got BJ

Peregrina · 29/02/2020 14:04

We said that about Cameron too - got May who we initially thought would be a safe pair of hands but turned out not to be, then got Johnson.

As for Labour - if we get Long-Bailey then it's business as usual with Labour. Nandy I think is unlikely to get it. Starmer? Well, if Johnson didn't have his 80 seat majority I think Starmer would quickly have Johnson on the ropes. What might happen is that the Tory Government of liars and incompetents might defeat themselves.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/02/2020 14:26

Yep, peregrina
Cameron ==> May ==> BJ
Bad ==> Worse ==> Batshit

RedToothBrush · 29/02/2020 14:42

As I seem to be the only Tory poster on the thread I am not sure there is a single thing I could say about this Government compared with a Corbyn one that is likely to change anyone's mind.

I wouldn't say I was tory but I certainly wouldn't say I was a corbyn supporter either.

Strangely in my closest group of friends we all have very similar outlooks on life with a slightly different emphasis in certain areas.

The confessed tory is one of the most liberal but doesn't have much time for people who aren't 'doers'. The Labour supporter is the most away with the fairies and most upper middle class and the Liberal democrat elected Councillor in the group is by far and away the most authoritarian and most narrow minded. I am very much more of a 'floater' and can see where all three are coming from in their strength of feeling.

I certainly would not have been happy with a Corbyn government.

I think my point is to not make assumptions about where people have opinions and where they have particular sympathies.

This circle of friends agree on most things and understand the problems we have better than most. They simply disagree on who can sort them best and they (apart from the LD) can definitely see weaknesses and flaws with those they voted for. None of the parties were a 'good fit' ultimately.

I do get annoyed at the idea that 'all tories supporters are bad' attitude. I get equally annoyed at the 'if you don't agree with us, you must be a Corbyn supporter' attitude.

This is what the culture war is all about. Getting people to say they are on one side or the other and then othering the other.

Most people don't fit either camp well. And that's why we are ALL losing out.

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mrslaughan · 29/02/2020 14:59

Peregrina - I heard the political editor of the daily mirror interviewed on the radio the other day - it was really about the Saj's farewell speech. But he talked about that it could be interesting, everyone thinks the tories are really safe with the huge majority, but he felt with the unhappiness with Cummings amongst a lot of the Tory MP's, the risk is that that is taken for granted and the way themselves from within....... one can but hope.

ListeningQuietly · 29/02/2020 15:03

Another one who is pleased its not a Corbyn government
but sad that its a Johnson one

now if the rain would just stop I could get on with my Brexit stockpile vegetable gardening Grin

GhostofFrankGrimes · 29/02/2020 15:37

Middle class centrism, horrified by nationalised rail networks mildly disappointed by another 5 years of austerity.

Brexit is merely a spectator sport to be viewed from the safety of the allotment shed.

RedToothBrush · 29/02/2020 16:05

Middle class centrism, horrified by nationalised rail networks mildly disappointed by another 5 years of austerity.

Train?

What's one of them?

Buses are the endangered species in places Labour has done badly.

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 29/02/2020 16:08

Well that's the perfect storm of cuts and free market economics.

ListeningQuietly · 29/02/2020 16:13

And the Saj is now saying he'd have cut tax if he'd done the budget
like that's going to deal with ANY of the issues facing the country Hmm

Hopefully Rishi is less dumb.